Ontario Ground Water sold off

[poker]

This appeared in my fb

Add your name: Blue Triton Waters — the corporation that bought out Nestlé’s North American bottled water business in 2021 — will take a total of more than 8 billion litres of groundwater from two wells in Ontario over five years.

Permits issued by the Government of Ontario — which were renewed for an additional five years in 2021 — grant Triton enough groundwater to fill 14 billion more plastic bottles. Laid end to end, those bottles would circle the globe 70 times.

This deeply unjust deal is just one among many across Canada that undermine our human right to water, and our global responsibility to reduce single-use plastics.

Sign the pledge today to boycott commercial bottled water.

- The council of Canadians

Anyone heard about this? Is the claim legit?

 

[zsyd1230]

so how much are they paying the ontario government? a deal like this will have to be publicly disclosed surely

 

[Insidious Von]

This is absolutely depressing, I wont be around to see the full effect of this disaster.

Doug Ford is a genius, by selling off Ontario's groundwater, farmers in the Green Belt will foreclose due to the expense. This will give Premiere Douglas even more impetus to sell off the Green Belt to developers. Why have I been using Britta for so long? It's a beautiful plan, damage Southern Ontario permanently and make Marco Muzzo a billionaire.

https://owensoundhub.org/ottawa-que...ing-precious-groundwater-to-billionaires.html

 

[SaturnFan]

DoFo will keep at it until the entire province is paved over.

He HAS to go.

 

[Frankfooter]

so how much are they paying the ontario government? a deal like this will have to be publicly disclosed surely

First you have to search the Ford bbq photos to see who it was who gave him the cash.
Maybe they bought nice wedding presents for his kid...

 

[y2kmark]

This appeared in my fb

Add your name: Blue Triton Waters — the corporation that bought out Nestlé’s North American bottled water business in 2021 — will take a total of more than 8 billion litres of groundwater from two wells in Ontario over five years.

Permits issued by the Government of Ontario — which were renewed for an additional five years in 2021 — grant Triton enough groundwater to fill 14 billion more plastic bottles. Laid end to end, those bottles would circle the globe 70 times.

This deeply unjust deal is just one among many across Canada that undermine our human right to water, and our global responsibility to reduce single-use plastics.

Sign the pledge today to boycott commercial bottled water.

- The council of Canadians

Anyone heard about this? Is the claim legit?

Sure is. Isn't there an Ontario Waterkeeper website? I personally would look in the CBC archives. Also big trouble in Wisconsin. What do you think Poland Spring is? Lots of "good people" selling off water, a lot of which rightfully belongs to Native Americans/First Nations. Gonna be too woke for a lot of Terbites, though.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sure is. Isn't there an Ontario Waterkeeper website? I personally would look in the CBC archives. Also big trouble in Wisconsin. What do you think Poland Spring is? Lots of "good people" selling off water, a lot of which rightfully belongs to Native Americans/First Nations. Gonna be too woke for a lot of Terbites, though.

Then you'll have to remind them about Walkerton next.

 

[Insidious Von]

You must be new. Ontario - via Nestle & others - has been doing this for easily 20 years.

The current deal to sell Ontario's ground water was done on the hush hush in the fall of 2021. Premiere Douglas is emulating Hazel McCallion, he wants to do to Ontario what Hurricane Hazel did to Mississauga.

 

[Insidious Von]

IF this really concerned you, you would focus on the water issue. But you're not. Thus, you really don't care about the ground water loss but merely "bu bu bu Doug Ford".

JJ I don't understand your logic, are you telling me that Doug Ford is a lillywhite angel of virtue.

Developers paid to attend Ford's stag and doe party. The parcel of land on the southeast corner of Kipling and Kirby is earmarked for development. They want the Neville - Lake Memorial removed, they say it's an eyesore. Let's see if Premiere Ford will accommodate them.



I live in the area, I pass by the memorial when I'm doing my contacts.

 

[Frankfooter]

No..."which were renewed for an additional five years in 2021". Who did the original deal? Doug Ford?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/nestle-centre-wellington-accused-deny-backroom-deals-1.3920539

Here's the exact same issue from 2017. They even say, "backroom deal" Doug Ford right?

You're playing this as a Doug Ford thing while previous governments pretty much did the same thing. It's endemic to our governments but you're spinning it as if it's not. As for 'hush hush', please. If the media ignores it (gee COVID was going on then), how would we know otherwise?

So. The current government SHOULD charge a LOT more for the ground water [reasons here] and take steps to reduce the amount taken from local areas for the following reasons [reasons here].

IF this really concerned you, you would focus on the water issue. But you're not. Thus, you really don't care about the ground water loss but merely "bu bu bu Doug Ford". Boring.

Previous water sales to Nestle are incredibly unpopular and stupid.
That makes Doug Ford doing the same thing again even more stupid. Calling Ford out is mandatory, people have been railing about Nestle already for years.

 

[danmand]

The water Nestle pumps out, eventually comes back to the province.

 

[Frankfooter]

Previous water sales to Nestle are incredibly unpopular and stupid.
You are correct but as anything, they are not unpopular enough because it continues. Jobs, taxes, markets blah blah. Until local water supplies run out then oops.

people have been railing about Nestle already for years.
..and yet nothing. Municipal level, provincial level. ..and now WOW, morons think "bruh, Doug Ford" invented the issue. . Noobs. If one cares about the issue, care about the issue and address the issue.

Guelph is the area where Triton really makes bank.

Triton (formerly Nestlé) water-taking and Guelph’s water supply

Nestlé’s water taking doesn’t impact Guelph’s groundwater supply directly, and we encourage all water users to exercise care and stewardship.

guelph.ca

Here is Guelph's statement;
Overall, we are not opposed to the renewal of the permit as it does not interfere with our current water takings.
They obviously argued against the 10 year renewal permit v. 5 year but the local gov't seems pretty good with it. Not unpopular enough. They did the same in 2007, 2011 & 2016. If you think this is a left v. right issue, please, argue that Guelph is a hot bed of deep blue conservatism then.

Just because activists have failed to get the Nestle contract cancelled doesn't mean we can't criticize Ford for an even more stupid action.
That's a failure in logic.

The water Nestle pumps out, eventually comes back to the province.

But mostly not in the same aquifer.

That water was worth $4 billion, but how much of that do Guelph residents and farmers see?

Nestlé water-bottling operations sold to equity firm for $4.3 billion

Wellington Water Watchers is asking the provincial government to cancel the current water-taking permit and to return the lands to public stewardship

www.guelphtoday.com

 

[y2kmark]

The water Nestle pumps out, eventually comes back to the province.

Piss on that...

 

[Frankfooter]

Much like every single other natural resource extraction, very little. This is obvious in the extreme. Do you have a point to make about water extraction or is this just another red herring?

No, lots of places don't just give away their resources to corporations.
Consider Norway's nationalized oil vs the Alberta giveaway.

Giving away water is extremely foolish now.

Amid Drought, Billionaires Control A Critical California Water Bank

Stewart and Lynda Resnick have built an $8 billion farming fortune. But it never would have happened if they hadn’t privatized majority ownership of California’s Kern Water Bank.

www.forbes.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh dear god, quote the ONE SINGLE COUNTRY outlier that has done the right thing on a national basis - avoided the oil curse & the associated Dutch Disease with the high prices of oil - with their oil.
This is not complex, nuanced thinking on your part.

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Beside, do you know how much is in the Heritage Fund? Around $18B earning a RoR of 8.5% over the last 10 years. Plus, the dummies, have withdrawn from it many many times over the years to benefit Alberta for a variety of reasons so your argument of the local community (Alberta) not benefiting from resource extraction is completely...wrong in this case. So much for "give away their resources to corporations" (O&G per your example) in this case. Sorry the Heritage Fund doesn't benefit you personally.

Hey, besides, how about the billions and billions of taxes collected from resource extraction. Oh wait, inconvenient. RBC estimated back in June that O&G alone contributed $48Billion into gov't coffers in 2022 and maybe $64B in 2023. That's a lot of windfall healthcare $ isn't it? Be a bit of bitch tax money wise for social services if O&G disappeared huh? So much for "give away their resources to corporations" (O&G per your example) in this case.

So. Yes, the local farmers & Guelphites, as you say, don't benefit directly from resource extraction but on a provincial/national basis they do due to taxes, payroll blah blah.

But hey, red herring again right? Subject is Ground water extraction right?

O&G isn't that big a windfall, you are forgetting the subsidies they get ($8-18 billion/year) and the costs of climate change.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/fossil-fuel-subsidies-expaliner-1.6371411

$500 for a million litres is the fee for taking Guelph's water.
Ontario is really riding that massive economic income.

 

[poker]

No..."which were renewed for an additional five years in 2021". Who did the original deal? Doug Ford?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/nestle-centre-wellington-accused-deny-backroom-deals-1.3920539

Here's the exact same issue from 2017. They even say, "backroom deal" Doug Ford right?

You're playing this as a Doug Ford thing while previous governments pretty much did the same thing. It's endemic to our governments but you're spinning it as if it's not. As for 'hush hush', please. If the media ignores it (gee COVID was going on then), how would we know otherwise?

So. The current government SHOULD charge a LOT more for the ground water [reasons here] and take steps to reduce the amount taken from local areas for the following reasons [reasons here].

IF this really concerned you, you would focus on the water issue. But you're not. Thus, you really don't care about the ground water loss but merely "bu bu bu Doug Ford". Boring.

Yes…. It was “renewed” in 2021. DoFo is the Premier now, so he has to wear the current deal. He could have said “no”.

Here’s the thing. Conservatives campaigned on how bad and corrupt the Liberals were. The told us they would fix the Liberal screw ups. Well, hydro rates are not fixed. They are subsidized (the Liberal plan). If selling off the ground water was bad under liberals, why did they resign a hush hush deal again?

I already know the fuck ups of the past Liberals. Now, we’re seeing the fuck ups of the current Conservatives.

 

[Frankfooter]

We've already talked about what the true costs of O&G subsidies are. It's actually in the range of $2.3B. This is in-line with the two IISD reports stated in YOUR CBC article which YOU conveniently ignore. Weird how you ignore your own information that you posted. Why is that? You don't actually read what you source do you?

Can't look at original sources, can't do math & think 'externalities' is actually a real thing if it's not balanced by the benefits. Want another go down this path? Start a new thread. Red herring on a ground water source thread.

As for your, "$500 for a million litres is the fee for taking Guelph's water."
Yes, we don't charge enough for water and we should charge a fuck of a lot more.... So what? Maude Barlow has been fighting this for decades, the Ontario Liberals had how many years to fix it and they didn't. Now it's Doug's turn to ignore it.

From the article:
In Canada in 2020, estimates range from $4.5 billion (OECD) to $18 billion (Environmental Defence, including public financing to support pipelines) to $81 billion (IMF, including externalities), although most reports note that a lack of transparency makes complete and accurate calculations difficult.

Not 2 billion.
You asked, don't say its now off topic, that's just pathetic.

We were talking resources and you were giving us multiple excuses why its ok that DoFo is screwing us over because other people have maybe done so in the past.
Not a strong argument.