Ontario man faces charges after allegedly assaulting home intruder: police

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I absolutely believe in the right of self defense, and to protect your home.

But I'm going to wait a bit and see if details are released. If the homeowner, after the guy gave up, or was down, went and got a weapon AFTER to continue the beat down then he went too far.

Details matter I think here.
 
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Butler1000 said:
I absolutely believe in the right of self defense, and to protect your home.

But I'm going to wait a bit and see if details are released. If the homeowner, after the guy gave up, or was down, went and got a weapon AFTER to continue the beat down then he went too far.

Details matter I think here.
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Exactly this.

I am reminded of the case in Peterborough last year where a clerk at a corner store was charged with aggravated assault after he was held up by a guy with a baseball bat.

The two had a struggle and the perp dropped his bat --- and as soon as he was unarmed, the perp turned and ran outside into the street, but the clerk chased after him and gave him a severe beating.

I totally understand that adrenaline is pumping in situations like this, but it's not self-defence when you chase after someone who is no longer a threat and beat them up.
 
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The intruder is already a criminal: "The alleged intruder, a 41-year-old Lindsay man, was already wanted by police at the time of the incident and is facing additional charges of possession of a weapon for a dangerous purpose, break, enter and theft, mischief under $5,000 and failure to comply with probation. "

I'm likely to side with the homeowner, unless he tortured him or something crazy. The cops said the response should be proportional, but when someone is breaking in your home with maybe children and family to defend easy to say, be proportional.
 
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We don't have the Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground laws in Canada. What this means is, you are allowed to defend yourself, but with "reasonable force," which is subjective and ultimately will be based on how a jury feels. It's almost for sure that you will be arrested if you beat an intruder seriously. But, the Crown could decide to drop the charges if they felt there a conviction was unlikely. Canadian law basically says that property can be replaced, but life is precious. It would rather see your new car get stolen than you kill the thief.

And....to be honest, I don't disagree. I mean, if someone came into my home and threatened my family, I'm going to fight to defend them. If they just grab the car keys, I'm not going to grab my rifle and blow them away.
 
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The problem is there are reported break ins by organized groups... so sure, you might have the upperhand and let him go but now that the intruder knows there is one guy so next time it might take 3 guys to overpower him...i wouldn't want to kill someone over property...but maybe a broken knee cap would deter him for next time.
 
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richaceg said:
The problem is there are reported break ins by organized groups... so sure, you might have the upperhand and let him go but now that the intruder knows there is one guy so next time it might take 3 guys to overpower him...i wouldn't want to kill someone over property...but maybe a broken knee cap would deter him for next time.
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You have to look a little deeper. Who says his intentions were to steal your property? His sole intention may have been murder and if you assume he is only there for your stuff you can end up dead pretty quick. When you have an armed intruder in your home at 3am you have to assume the worst and act accordingly. Underestimating his intentions could be last mistake you make....
 
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In general, it seems like most People are getting fed up and taking things into their own hands.
If laws don’t change soon that support victims, and not the criminals, expect more acts of vigilantism. A stranger in your home late at night, all you see him or her is as threat to the safety of your family, and yourself.
Criminals will be forced to learn their lesson from a pissed off unsuspecting person trying to save their family and home when the criminal wakes up in a hospital and realizes they physically are not the same for the worse.
 
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It will be hilarious if the burglar sues the homeowner.............AND WINS!!! 😂
 
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Y_Diner said:
In general, it seems like most People are getting fed up and taking things into their own hands.
If laws don’t change soon that support victims, and not the criminals, expect more acts of vigilantism. A stranger in your home late at night, all you see him or her is as threat to the safety of your family, and yourself.
Criminals will be forced to learn their lesson from a pissed off unsuspecting person trying to save their family and home when the criminal wakes up in a hospital and realizes they physically are not the same for the worse.
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The only thing that can make a criminal seriously consider breaking into your home is the potential that they may be killed for doing so. Every criminal already knows that homeowners are apprehensive to use excessive force because they will be legally responsible. Until death is a possibility it is literally a free for all with minimal repercussions. This needs to change immediately or it will just get worse. Enough is enough already....
 
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optimusprime69 said:
The only thing that can make a criminal seriously consider breaking into your home is the potential that they may be killed for doing so. Every criminal already knows that homeowners are apprehensive to use excessive force because they will be legally responsible. Until death is a possibility it is literally a free for all with minimal repercussions. This needs to change immediately or it will just get worse. Enough is enough already....
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If not them facing death, perhaps loss of a limb, a sense, or having to eat from a straw for the rest of their days.
0 sympathy for someone that attacks my family or is uninvited in home.
 
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If not them facing death, perhaps loss of a limb, a sense, or having to eat from a straw for the rest of their days.
0 sympathy for someone that attacks my family or is uninvited in home.
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Realistically speaking there is only a very small percentage of the population that would genuinely want to actually kill an intruder, so it makes no sense that you're not entitled to use any and all forces within your personal discretion if you find you and your family in a situation like this. Nothing short of that is acceptable.
 
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Did the intruder get charged with anything?
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He did. Got charged with breaking and entering, mischief, and theft.
He was also wanted for previous criminal charges prior to this
 
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The victim in this case had to be airlifted to a Toronto hospital for his injuries.

So clearly the homeowner beat the pulp out of this guy.

They don't just airlift people for a broken nose, or a few broken ribs
 
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