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krealtarron

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I said its indistinguishable in practice.
You are proving the point.
Yeah say something stupid. Double down on it. And then say something even more stupid when asked to clarify. Do you comment just for the sake of commenting?
 

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So you would advocate for Taiwan to shut the feck up, get rid of all weapons, stop talking to the US and bow their heads whenever they see someone from the mainland?
No, they shouldn't shut the fuck up. What they shouldn't do is trust the US and provoke China to militarily act. They should work it out with the Chinese themselves.
 

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No, they shouldn't shut the fuck up. What they shouldn't do is trust the US and provoke China to militarily act. They should work it out with the Chinese themselves.
You mean surrender their land? How do you negotiate with a much bigger country that thinks they own your land already?
I assume you also think Palestinians should also stop resisting and learn to enjoy apartheid, Yemen should hand the keys over to MBS, all treaties be burned and all smaller countries prepare to meet their new overlords.
 

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You mean surrender their land? How do you negotiate with a much bigger country that thinks they own your land already?
I assume you also think Palestinians should also stop resisting and learn to enjoy apartheid, Yemen should hand the keys over to MBS, all treaties be burned and all smaller countries prepare to meet their new overlords.
You never want to lose a chance to have a war.

Clearly the best option for the Taiwanese is to continue the "one China" policy that has served them well for a long time, and has been agreed to by the West (the Humanity).

I hope that China does not let itself be provoked by the war mongers in the West, who clearly does not give a hoot for the people of Taiwan and their prosperous island.

You should be ashamed of yourself with your incessant warmongering.
 
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You never want to lose a chance to have a war.

Clearly the best option for the Taiwanese is to continue the "one China" policy that has served them well for a long time, and has been agreed to by the West (the Humanity).

I hope that China does not let itself be provoked by the war mongers in the West, who clearly does not give a hoot for the people of Taiwan and their prosperous island.

You should be ashamed of yourself with your incessant warmongering.
So you think Taiwan should just let China take them over if China wants to?
That's 'antiwar' in your books?

Putin and MBS just dropped quotas to raise oil prices. By k's logic this is an act of aggression that would justify US invasion, in his 'might is right' and 'don't poke the bear' rationale. That any act other than subservience by smaller states will bring about a 'justified' invasion by larger states/empires.

That's the libertarian 'antiwar' logic.
 

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So you think Taiwan should just let China take them over if China wants to?
That's 'antiwar' in your books?
As I said, any chance for a war of destruction must be pursued. That is your position.

The "one China" policy has been in place since Nixon went to China, and is still in place. It has served Taiwan and it's people well, as the Island is very prosperous.

All of a sudden the Humanity, or as we call it, the West is intent on changing the status quo, by supporting independence, arming Taiwan and pursue inter-country relations. Then you accuse China of wanting to grab land, when they complain about these provocations.

Ask yourself who benefits from hostilities. Surely not the Taiwanese people, who you would love to see being used as Cannon fodder.

Nobody in the West cares about the Taiwanese people or their future.

All you see is a chance for a war.
 
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As I said, any chance for a war of destruction must be pursued. That is your position.

The "one China" policy has been in place since Nixon went to China, and is still in place. It has served Taiwan and it's people well, as the Island is very prosperous.

All of a sudden the Humanity, or as we call it, the West is intent on changing the status quo, by supporting independence, arming Taiwan and pursue inter-country relations. Then you accuse China of wanting to grab land, when they complain about these provocations.

Ask yourself who benefits from hostilities. Surely not the Taiwanese people, who you would love to see being used as Cannon fodder.

Nobody in the West cares about the Taiwanese people or their future.

All you see is a chance for a war.
You need to get past your colonial representation that humanity is just the west.

The world has three imperial powers these days and none of the three should be supported for expansion. Sadly, the only real answer to imperial expansion still lies with larger treaties like the UN, NATO, the EU and the like. Treaties that try to stop Russian expansion into Ukraine are as useful as treaties to slow US imperialism or Chinese expansions. Same with arguing for humanity to support UN sponsored climate change treaties over the oil industry's own dual imperialists, Opec/Putin and US/seven sisters.

Libertarianism has no answer to those bigger issues.
 

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As I said, any chance for a war of destruction must be pursued. That is your position.

The "one China" policy has been in place since Nixon went to China, and is still in place. It has served Taiwan and it's people well, as the Island is very prosperous.

All of a sudden the Humanity, or as we call it, the West is intent on changing the status quo, by supporting independence, arming Taiwan and pursue inter-country relations. Then you accuse China of wanting to grab land, when they complain about these provocations.

Ask yourself who benefits from hostilities. Surely not the Taiwanese people, who you would love to see being used as Cannon fodder.

Nobody in the West cares about the Taiwanese people or their future.

All you see is a chance for a war.
It is not about Taiwan.

It is about destabilizing China.

Similarly it is not about Ukraine.

It is about destroying Russia.
 
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It is not about Taiwan.

It is about destabilizing China.

Similarly it is not about Ukraine.

It is about destroying Russia.
Ridiculous.

China would not be destabilized if they can't invade Taiwan.
Russia would not be destroyed by not being allowed to take over Ukraine.

It just sounds like both of you are only against US imperialism but both support Russian and Chinese imperialism.
 

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Ridiculous.

China would not be destabilized if they can't invade Taiwan.
Russia would not be destroyed by not being allowed to take over Ukraine.

It just sounds like both of you are only against US imperialism but both support Russian and Chinese imperialism.
I believe Taiwan is a part of China. I back the One China policy. So I dont consider it an invasion and I dont think there is going to be one. It is basically the US trying to poke, prod and provoke China into acting. Hope they dont fall for it.

NATO expansion is however a legitimate threat to Russia and that is a position that is accepted by geo-political analysis who are actually Ukraine supporters as well.

What is the common denominator here? The United States. They are ALWAYS the ones who warmonger, destabilize and create conflicts in all parts of the world.
 

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What is the common denominator here? The United States. They are ALWAYS the ones who warmonger, destabilize and create conflicts in all parts of the world.
Ah, there lies the crux of the matter.

You think the US empire is the most evil so you back Russian and Chinese empires, or anyone else, who opposes them.
You aren't antiwar, you are anti US.

You're a warmonger.
 

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Ah, there lies the crux of the matter.

You think the US empire is the most evil so you back Russian and Chinese empires, or anyone else, who opposes them.
You aren't antiwar, you are anti US.

You're a warmonger.
My anti-war position has nothing to do with any country in particular.

However, being anti-US is because of my anti-war position. They are the biggest warmongers on the planet and they create conflicts everywhere. Russia and China dont have empires. They are where they are supposed to be. It is the US that is everywhere.

The fact that you selectively choose China, when they are not engaged in any war anywhere, and Russia, who are currently engaged in war because of NATO provocation, while defending the US who provoked both nations and is currently fighting a proxy war, says how much of a warmonger YOU really are.

Oh and stop making stupid comments for the sake of commenting. Like yesterday when you said libertarianism is "far right". :ROFLMAO: Fuckin laughable.
 
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My anti-war position has nothing to do with any country in particular.

However, being anti-US is because of my anti-war position. They are the biggest warmongers on the planet and they create conflicts everywhere. Russia and China dont have empires. They are where they are supposed to be. It is the US that is everywhere.

The fact that you selectively choose China, when they are not engaged in any war anywhere, and Russia, who are currently engaged in war because of NATO provocation, while defending the US who provoked both nations and is currently fighting a proxy war, says how much of a warmonger YOU really are.

Oh and stop making stupid comments for the sake of commenting. Like yesterday when you said libertarianism is "far right". :ROFLMAO: Fuckin laughable.
You don't hold an antiwar position, you are just anti US.

I agree that the US has started a shit ton of wars, but that supporting wars against the US doesn't suddenly make you anti war, it just makes you anti US.
If you are anti war you should be against wars of aggression, being against Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the same as being against the US invasion of Iraq, both of which I oppose.
You don't.
You support Russian aggression because you claim its a proxy war against the US and you are anti US.

Libertarianism? You really don't have a clue.
Wiki:

Although libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics,[26][74] the development in the mid-20th century of modern libertarianism in the United States resulted in libertarianism being commonly associated with right-wing politics.

That's how you devolve from a left winger into a right winger that supports war and people like rump, as happened to danmand.
 

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You don't hold an antiwar position, you are just anti US.

I agree that the US has started a shit ton of wars, but that supporting wars against the US doesn't suddenly make you anti war, it just makes you anti US.
If you are anti war you should be against wars of aggression, being against Russia's invasion of Ukraine is the same as being against the US invasion of Iraq, both of which I oppose.
You don't.
You support Russian aggression because you claim its a proxy war against the US and you are anti US.

Libertarianism? You really don't have a clue.
Wiki:

Although libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics,[26][74] the development in the mid-20th century of modern libertarianism in the United States resulted in libertarianism being commonly associated with right-wing politics.

That's how you devolve from a left winger into a right winger that supports war and people like rump, as happened to danmand.
It is your stupidity that you think being anti-war in Ukraine and advocating for ending hostilities and promoting talks is supporting Russia. It is frankly illogical to suggest that I support the war when I have repeatedly said the war needs to end with a ceasefire and negotiations. Because for you peace = thorough Russian defeat. But that wont happen, so the war and the destruction needs to continue while we spend billions and billions of our tax payer dollars on a useless war that we have nothing to do with, while our people suffer from inflation not being able to afford fucking groceries. If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd realize that is precisely why you are a warmonger.

So now you are going to argue that right wing politics and far right are the same? And if wikipedia says so. Keep digging yourself that hole. :ROFLMAO:

Are you not ashamed to be making such unintelligent comments?
 

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It is your stupidity that you think being anti-war in Ukraine and advocating for ending hostilities and promoting talks is supporting Russia. It is frankly illogical to suggest that I support the war when I have repeatedly said the war needs to end with a ceasefire and negotiations. Because for you peace = thorough Russian defeat. But that wont happen, so the war and the destruction needs to continue while we spend billions and billions of our tax payer dollars on a useless war that we have nothing to do with, while our people suffer from inflation not being able to afford fucking groceries. If you had an ounce of self awareness, you'd realize that is precisely why you are a warmonger.

So now you are going to argue that right wing politics and far right are the same? And if wikipedia says so. Keep digging yourself that hole. :ROFLMAO:

Are you not ashamed to be making such unintelligent comments?
You are supporting the war.

You keep telling us how Putin is justified, its all NATO's fault and we should support Putin's war by pulling Canada's support out.
That is supporting war.

Even saying that a ceasefire should happen is supporting Russia keeping the land they have taken through war.
Which is supporting the outcome of war.

Your libertarian views are the same as Rand Paul, they are right wing.
 

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You are supporting the war.

You keep telling us how Putin is justified, its all NATO's fault and we should support Putin's war by pulling Canada's support out.
That is supporting war.

Even saying that a ceasefire should happen is supporting Russia keeping the land they have taken through war.
Which is supporting the outcome of war.

Your libertarian views are the same as Rand Paul, they are right wing.
I dont support the war. Although NATO provoked and pushed Russia to war, I am saying there should be a ceasefire and negotiations. Ceasefire doesn't automatically mean Russia keeps land. That is why you need negotiations.

Also I am not Libertarian. I am Libertarian Socialist. Which is different.

Your logic is silly.
 

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I dont support the war. Although NATO provoked and pushed Russia to war, I am saying there should be a ceasefire and negotiations. Ceasefire doesn't automatically mean Russia keeps land. That is why you need negotiations.

Also I am not Libertarian. I am Libertarian Socialist. Which is different.

Your logic is silly.
Libertarian.
If you were a libertarian socialist you would be against Putin's repressive regime even more than the US regime.

You're a socialist like rump and Ayn Rand are socialists. You are against treaties to try to stop war, corporate greed and empire building. Your libertarianism argues only that might is right, and that the state with the most might must also be the most evil.
 

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Libertarian.
If you were a libertarian socialist you would be against Putin's repressive regime even more than the US regime.

You're a socialist like rump and Ayn Rand are socialists. You are against treaties to try to stop war, corporate greed and empire building. Your libertarianism argues only that might is right, and that the state with the most might must also be the most evil.
This must be one of the dumbest posts in content, reasoning and logic that I have read on this board in a while.
 

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This must be one of the dumbest posts in content, reasoning and logic that I have read on this board in a while.
I enjoy the fact that you don't have a counter argument.
Your replies are the equivalent of a lol from jcpro.
 
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