1. It seems as if the number of scammers and fake ads has skyrocketed, along with OF farming. I feel as if younger ladies (and people in general) lack simple social skills, which I attribute to growing up during the lockdowns.
This is an insightful, considerate and well thought out posting, but I just don't have any good answers. The industry is in a legal grey zone and will attract some SPs and hobbyists who are scammers, odd characters, liars, weirdos, lowlifes and whatever unattractive characteristic or trait that you can think of. The problem is that it creates a toxic environment for everyone and it seems like shady Leo List experiences are the norm and not the exception. Well established SPs have good reputations for a reason and they aren't the ones contributing to this race to the bottom. Serious hobbyists aren't the ones making fake bookings and discouraging touring SPs from visiting. A few years ago, Allegra Escorts brought SPs to the city, but they stopped due to bad experiences. Not sure where there is answer. I guess we all need to find whatever alternatives make sense for us because the current state of affairs is pretty bleak.I’m DM you 🫶
I wouldn’t say this isn’t a good answer, I think it’s a really honest look at how things are, and I totally feel you. It’s frustrating because when I first started, I had my own preconceived ideas about sex work and the people who book, but over time I’ve seen how positive it can be when it’s safe and respectful. It’s hard that there’s still so much stigma for both providers and clients, and bad actions keep adding to the problem.
On the second point, I can only speak for myself, but the turning point was the pandemic. I started hobbying around 2018 and at that point I was looking for a more curated and individual experience with fewer women on a more sustained basis.
I’ve noticed that too. If I had to guess, it might be because running solo can be tough. Covering space, hotels, ads, screening, and trying to build trust in a scene full of scams and fake ads isn’t easy. A club or spa gives a known location, built-in traffic, and some marketing support, which can feel safer and more sustainable for someone who’s struggling to stay fully independent.
It’s so refreshing to read such a positive and respectful perspective. I’m really happy to hear you’ve had such great experiences and that you recognize the talent across the board, not everyone does, and it’s nice to see it appreciated.
Exactly, thank you, sweetie! You're there to be stress-free, so why not start with a good conversation right from the beginning and take it from there? And I have to say, the Ottawa scene is absolutely exploding with talent at the massage attendant stage right now. have a great weekend
I find it audacious and disrespectful that people would try to negotiate. This is the way to do it.
Here to echo all of this. I've been travelling into Ottawa regularly from Toronto for family obligations over the last year plus. I have been absolutely blown away by the quality of women I've met in the spas over that time - all the ones you named, as well as Paradise. I can generally get a 90-minute appointment in Ottawa for only marginally more than what it costs for 60 minutes in Toronto. And out of all the visits I've had, not one of them has been bad, which has sadly not been the case at home over the years. The least good of them I'd describe as fine, but the vast majority have been exceptional. I've met a number of unicorns in Ottawa (by unicorn, I mean 1) very attractive, 2) very good actual massage, and 3) very skilled at the fun stuff - #s 1 and 3 are reasonably common, but #2 in combination with them is special), whereas I've only ever met one lady in Toronto who fits that definition.
. In TO more variety and better price, and the bad actors tend to get weeded out from market forces.... so yeah. Mtl is down the road, TO if I happen to be there.
I get why it might feel like a lot of talk without a clear fix, but I also think these conversations show just how layered and complicated the whole scene really is. There isn’t one simple solution because everyone’s circumstances, comfort levels, and reasons for doing this work are so different.Just alot of bla bla and bling bling with this thread, nothing really solved,I've been at this for decades lived the Backpage days,saw different French women twice a week, always a fresh batch to choose from,it was fun and adventurous to play once,but now lol forget about it,yes there r a few ladies that visit that still provide true service and very fair prices,DD Sabrina,the incredible Kassie snow,200/300and even Leyla ,this is rate for me is fair,I like a intimate setting so that's why I don't have sex a a spa knowing there r people just outside the dr,very uncomfortable,so if the ladies I mentioned can be favorite among men so can the rest,I will comend Maddie K ,more women should follow her format,great promo,fair prices and incredible service
I get why people think an agency could “fix” the scene here, but Ottawa already has agencies and collectives like OIC. So it makes me wonder why those aren’t seen as enough. I think part of it is that Ottawa’s market is smaller and less saturated, it’s often easier to go fully independent, build your own following, and keep control over your brand. In bigger cities like Toronto or Montreal, where the scene is flooded and competition is intense, agencies can help with visibility and stability. Here, it’s a different dynamic.Just requoting myself from a year ago:
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Yeah I've been thinking about the same thing... and i tend to agree yes it's cheaper in TO. Not that there is no scams there obviously.
Lived in all 3, TO, MTL, Ottawa, and it's really just a matter of market and population, and thus quantity, quality, competition. I found this to be true in O town for any industry or service. We seem to be content with a C grade, as good as it gets, and pay for an A service. When tendering for construction contracts, this I know, you get way less choice and players, but the price is top notch
In my (un)professional experience and assessment, uncovered SP service with CFS, is 250 hr in TO, 300 in O town, 250 in MTL. In MTL you'll have just as many scams like in ottawa, but more choice and people. And attitude
Sorry if this offends anyone's sensibilities, in advance
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Ottawa is definitely an economic bubble, despite our perceived downturn, due to govt influence and taxation. Ask ppl from mtl, Toronto how they feel...
Partially the reason why prices are so erratic, given the subjectivity of the matter. But at the end its a demand and supply like anything else, though it is not like buying a sack of potatoes on the farmers market
An agency, like in mtl would be beneficial to stabilize/level things off at large. Which is what the high end Asian agencies do in OT. They know exactly how much the can get away with, with what clients are willing to pay, no it's and buts... that's the true market price for ottawa.
I apologized in my previous quote
I was told by a regular provider that ladies do up-charge control at the clubs. In other words, if a lady is known to charge less than X, she gets a talking to.
I think there’s an important difference between management trying to enforce prices and providers informally talking among themselves. If it’s management or owners setting limits, that’s tricky legally they can’t (and shouldn’t) control what someone charges or offers beyond what’s safe to advertise. Body house laws and the rules around monetary gain mean any attempt to standardize pricing could cross legal lines.
Many people I interact with under the age of 25 have spent their formative years during the Covid lockdowns, meaning they went to school remotely, and communicated with everybody online, with very little actual face-to-face interaction. There have been some very large uptakes in disturbing/poor/violent behaviour in schools that have been attributed to this, and I see it almost every day around me.
