Pamela Wallin to pay back $140k..WTF !!!

fmahovalich

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What's truly sad is that former journalists who should serve as opponents to any culture of entitlement become instead the embodiment of it.
Wallin and Duffy have betrayed everything they were supposed to stand for.
Yes they have, and so has Liberal Mac HArb to the tune of $230,000
 

blackrock13

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And Harb, the Liberal, who owes the most should not go under the radar either. Oh I know, some say he is fighting it. So is Duffy. They are ALL overcharging!
Duffy fighting? Sure he is. He's sitting on the bench at his seaside cottage making a bitch list to hit the Harperite with, little more.
 

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http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...viewing_report_on_pamela_wallin_expenses.html
"Sources familiar with the Deloitte review said earlier Monday the report will detail travel expenses — such as flights and taxis — that Wallin expensed to taxpayers while she was travelling on business unrelated to her Senate duties, including activities related to the boards of directors she used to sit on, her time as chancellor of the University of Guelph and one instance of fundraising for the Conservative party."

Wallin knew very well that she was committing fraud. And her 'ignorance' defense doesn't work because it reinforces that she is incompetent for the job of deciding on legislation and thus should be fired.
This story reminds me very much of someone who does his or her tax return and forgets that there are hundreds of rules that are used by those Revenue Canada officers who check your return. It's either you're eligible or not for certain expenses claimed, etc. Deloitte here is like a surrogate Revenue Canada officer.

The other thing is that she can't claim ignorance of the rules. They're clearly spelt out and if she wasn't sure, she should have checked with those in the administration offices. Can't doubt she's a busy bee, but she has executive assistants she could have delegated the task to.
 

gargravarrh

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If you blame Harper for his appointments, then lack of electability may in fact be the problem. To tell you the truth, I don't think anybody would've questioned Harper's appointments at the outset because those chosen had good if not impeccable reputations.

We can go back into time and complain about patronage appointments by Trudeau or under John Turner's reign, so to stop the perception of patronage bias, there should be elections for the Senate.
I don't think so. Like if you look down south in the states you'll see the effect of elections, non-stop circus.

Also, people don't pay attention. Duffy in particular was partially responsible for Harper's first success as he never let Stephane Dion get the customary 'do-over' of an interview and instead broadcast raw video. This video became iconic, sealing the perception that Stephane was a stuttering goofball. Any time someone from the press crosses over to politics, there ought to be a question.

Remarkably none of Trudeau's or Turners patronage appointments stink as much as these, unless you can provide me with some examples. Besides, it's a stupid excuse. Conservatives always seem to point fingers at the Liberals when it comes time to be accountable. Pointing fingers and saying 'he did it too' is not being accountable.

Also fmahovalich, tripping over your own ass in your haste to bring up Harb just makes you look like a flaming turd.
 

nobody123

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What's particularly galling is that some of my fellow lefties are exactly stupid enough to help turn this whole clusterfuck around from being about Harper's hypocrisy (appointing partisan hacks like it was going out of style after years of campaigning on senate reform) corruption (trying to buy off Duffy's debt in an attempt to sweep the problem under a rug), and lies (telling Canada with a straight face that he knew nothing about Nigel Wright paying off Duffy's debt "out of the goodness of his heart"), into a straight-up debate on senate reform. Shut the hell up, you dopy dumbfucks! This is not the time. You want to agitate for triple E or even abolish the senate, knock yourself out. But not right now. Save it, for fecks sakes! Right now is about what Harper and his cronies have done and lied about. Hold the motherfucker's feet to the fire and stop doing him the favour of getting sidetracked. Ack!

(this has been a public service announcement from nobody123)
 

gargravarrh

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What's particularly galling is that some of my fellow lefties are exactly stupid enough to help turn this whole clusterfuck around from being about Harper's hypocrisy (appointing partisan hacks like it was going out of style after years of campaigning on senate reform) corruption (trying to buy off Duffy's debt in an attempt to sweep the problem under a rug), and lies (telling Canada with a straight face that he knew nothing about Nigel Wright paying off Duffy's debt "out of the goodness of his heart"), into a straight-up debate on senate reform. Shut the hell up, you dopy dumbfucks! This is not the time. You want to agitate for triple E or even abolish the senate, knock yourself out. But not right now. Save it, for fecks sakes! Right now is about what Harper and his cronies have done and lied about. Hold the motherfucker's feet to the fire and stop doing him the favour of getting sidetracked. Ack!

(this has been a public service announcement from nobody123)
It doesn't take right or left to appreciate the hypocrisy.
 

nobody123

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It doesn't take right or left to appreciate the hypocrisy.
Dunno if "appreciate" is the right word here. I mean, sure, Harper's opponents are going to savour it like some delicious schadenfreude pie. But his supporters are more likely to shudder a bit, maybe mutter, feel a tad uncomfortable for a moment, and then hope that we all will soon get distracted by some other shiny bauble. (like, say, senate reform) "Appreciate" ain't exactly capturing the essence if it, ya know?
 

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Odd that no one talks about the biggest Senate crook of all, Marc Harb. Lot's of noise about $90 k but not so much about $230 k ?

Oh yes, I see now, he was a Liberal appointment. Funny how that works.


Harb is disputing an order from the Senate that he repay $231,649 in disallowed housing allowance claims and other expenses dating back several years.
 

MattRoxx

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Odd that no one talks about the biggest Senate crook of all, Marc Harb. Lot's of noise about $90 k but not so much about $230 k ?

Oh yes, I see now, he was a Liberal appointment. Funny how that works.
People have talked about Harb. Of course he was in the senate longer, and if Wallin had gone unchecked she would have easily shot past his total.

And using fmahovalich math, the undeniable conclusion is that compared to Liberal appointed senators, Conservative appointed senators are 3 times more likely to be corrupt.

Senate sends expenses audit to RCMP is the headline. This once again shows how useless the Senate is - Lib, Con and Indy. They don't know how to make a decision about their own membership, and therefore should not have any responsibility in making decisions that affect every Canadian who is not lucky enough to be appointed to that endless trough.
 

blackrock13

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Odd that no one talks about the biggest Senate crook of all, Marc Harb. Lot's of noise about $90 k but not so much about $230 k ?

Oh yes, I see now, he was a Liberal appointment. Funny how that works.
He has been spoken about often, even on TERB, most recently comparing him to Wallins as she's paying the money back, even when she is claiming innocence, where he is fighting the charges. Not funny at all.
 

Keebler Elf

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Um. Do time for what. She placed expenses in for approval. They were approved. The Senate has after the fact decided they shouldn't have been. She is paying the money back. She did nothing illegal, nothing sneaky or underhanded.

Try to actually read up on things.....
That's your idea of ethics? If you don't get caught it's okay?

She shouldn't have been expensing things that she KNEW were not valid expenses (e.g., for a flight to a speech she gave BEFORE becoming a senator).

It's called personal accountability. Get some.
 

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LOL of course members if the lunatic right wing fringe have to come here to attack the liberal as if that has anything to do with it.
 

gargravarrh

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LOL of course members if the lunatic right wing fringe have to come here to attack the liberal as if that has anything to do with it.
This tactic has been typical, and obvious, getting rather old, and maybe only speaks to their fanatical base. Cf. Sponsorship.
 

fmahovalich

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What's particularly galling is that some of my fellow lefties are exactly stupid enough to help turn this whole clusterfuck around from being about Harper's hypocrisy (appointing partisan hacks like it was going out of style after years of campaigning on senate reform) corruption (trying to buy off Duffy's debt in an attempt to sweep the problem under a rug), and lies (telling Canada with a straight face that he knew nothing about Nigel Wright paying off Duffy's debt "out of the goodness of his heart"), into a straight-up debate on senate reform. Shut the hell up, you dopy dumbfucks! This is not the time. You want to agitate for triple E or even abolish the senate, knock yourself out. But not right now. Save it, for fecks sakes! Right now is about what Harper and his cronies have done and lied about. Hold the motherfucker's feet to the fire and stop doing him the favour of getting sidetracked. Ack!

(this has been a public service announcement from nobody123)
but Nobody..this is not a left and right deal you are correct. Max Harb, a long time Liberal is also on the hot seat to a tune of $230,000..... However most papers are not willing to report on that tidbit.

its not good enough Blackrock to say he is 'fighting it' .....DUFFY IS DOING THE SAME THING.

Rob Ford is denying the crack video....fighting it per se.....Do you give him the same latitude?
 

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she changed her calendar - over 400 entries during the audit? uh huh. no fraud here

Agree. A simple clerkical error in her calander. 400 times.:Eek:
 

blackrock13

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but Nobody..this is not a left and right deal you are correct. Max Harb, a long time Liberal is also on the hot seat to a tune of $230,000..... However most papers are not willing to report on that tidbit.

its not good enough Blackrock to say he is 'fighting it' .....DUFFY IS DOING THE SAME THING.

Rob Ford is denying the crack video....fighting it per se.....Do you give him the same latitude?
Duffy's not fighting it. He's sitting at home, wherever that is, saying let the investigation take their course and making his bitch list of where all the skeletons are buried
 

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