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Parliament not diverse enough, says Maclean's -- where only two writers aren't white

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If you are "of colour" and not elected that's how it goes ! Last time I looked there was no racial quota for Parliament!

How many Ali Mohamed's can there be in rural Saskatchewan?
 

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Race should have nothing to do with electing representatives. Heck, parliament could be 100% white, black, etc., and I wouldn't care so long as they were duly elected. And those candidates should run based on their qualifications, not their ethnicity, religion, etc.
 

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Race should have nothing to do with electing representatives. Heck, parliament could be 100% white, black, etc., and I wouldn't care so long as they were duly elected. And those candidates should run based on their qualifications, not their ethnicity, religion, etc.
You would expect Parliament to look roughly like the country, no?
 

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Race should have nothing to do with electing representatives. Heck, parliament could be 100% white, black, etc., and I wouldn't care so long as they were duly elected. And those candidates should run based on their qualifications, not their ethnicity, religion, etc.
You would expect Parliament to look roughly like the country, no?
Some people do feel that our Parliament, universities, police force, hockey team, etc. should look like our country, regardless of merit.

Did anybody notice the Canadian Olympic hockey team had only one black member (no Asians) who didn't even get on the ice? This all white team (except one) is suppose to represent multi-ethnic Canada, ridiculous.
 

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All jobs should be based on merit. But like any job, it goes beyond what your resume says. There's also in intangibles like personality that gets you far. If it was only about your resume, then there would be no reason for companies to even meet you in person. Just go by whomever has the best piece of paper.

Race, gender etc.... DEFINITELY should not be forced upon for hiring. Meeting that magical "all things are nicely proportioned" is just political correctness. And only sore losers who can't hack it complain.

It's like that old Marines articles months ago where it was something like females were allowed to pass because they got lowered requirements for sake of making it easier for women to get in, while the guys had tons of failures because their qualifications are increased. Or how fire depts and police depts make it harder for "white guys" to get in due to ethnic quotas.

I don't know about you guys, but if I was in an emergency, I'd rather have the best cop or fireman helping me out, instead of someone who is hired because there's too many white guys with good qualifications getting jobs.

If anyone reads those university rankings, much of it is BS too. Many of the metrics are based on quantity not quality. The more library books a school has, the more minority faculty, the more women, the higher the score. Even though there is no proof having more is better. Maybe a school with lower scores has better and more recent library resources, more experienced white men faculty. But that school would technically get a lower score.

At the end of the day, it's a pretty weird issue because for any company that turns down a white guy due to needing to balance out the representation, what would they say?..... "Sorry, but despite your better qualifications, we have to higher more non-white men to balance it out".
 

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Race should have nothing to do with electing representatives. Heck, parliament could be 100% white, black, etc., and I wouldn't care so long as they were duly elected. And those candidates should run based on their qualifications, not their ethnicity, religion, etc.
In most districts, white people outnumber minorities. So for anyone who prefers to vote a politician based on "race first", most districts will have white people elected.

To get around that, you'd have to assume the white politicians are so bad that nobody would vote for them in that zone, or there are no white people going for election, or the government mandates that minorities get some kind of computerized vote boost to help them out.

But as long as the system is honest and tabulates things correctly, white people (esp. white men since there seems to be way more men than women campaigning) will usually be voted in for most districts.
 

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Some people do feel that our Parliament, universities, police force, hockey team, etc. should look like our country, regardless of merit.

Did anybody notice the Canadian Olympic hockey team had only one black member (no Asians) who didn't even get on the ice? This all white team (except one) is suppose to represent multi-ethnic Canada, ridiculous.
Which race do you think doesn't have the merit to serve in Parliament?
 

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To get around that, you'd have to assume the white politicians are so bad that nobody would vote for them
... or that race isn't a primary factor in voting, that people instead vote for the best economic platform, the best foreign policy, etc.
 

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Absolutely. And when you see a particular job being dominated by just one race, you know that something other than merit is going on.
Not at all. It may be simply due to legacy and interest in jobs by certain races. Can't just flip a coin and change things.

Hockey is good example (as someone brought up). It's probably 90%+ white guys. But hey, white people play hockey more, there's a legacy of it being a sport played by white people so there's more whites. On the other hand, there's a disproportional number of black guys playing football and basketball. On most teams, more than half the guys are black on any pro team despite the black population being maybe 10% or less in NA. Yet someone it's 50%+. There have been basketball teams where it's 100% black guys. No whites, no Europeans, no South American. 100% black. So what?

People don't understand that people grow up having different goals and interests, as well as parents teaching them things which can skew what they do.

How many Asian pro sports players and actors and singers are there? Hardly any. On the other hand, how many go into finance or science jobs? Lots. How many of them decades ago when I was in school, or now, are English or Social Studies teachers? Hardly any. How many Asian back then or now teach math or science? Much more than their racial proportion.

So at the end of the day, who cares. Some genders skew to some jobs. Some ethnicities may skew to other jobs. Women skew to nursing and health care jobs, guys skew to construction jobs. Would be weird if people pressured these industries to have more guys in nursing and more women paving roads and doing carpentry.

Why the world has to try to aim for perfect proportions is ridiculous..... Or maybe it's just a US/Canada thing.
 

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Yes, that is exactly my point. People should be elected/selected/admitted based on merit and not based on race.
As long as Canada has an honest system of elections, it will likely be a white person getting voted in as Canada is mostly white. People don't understand that Toronto and Vancouver are highly multicultural, but most other cities are mostly white. Just drive half an hour outside of Toronto, pick a suburb at the end of the GTA or a small town along the 401 and it'll be 95% white.

And whether people like it or not, many people vote base don what race the politician is as one factor. So that's why you get so many whites.

Another reason is that many minority politicians have agendas that focus on minorities (often the one they are part of). White people may not care about that stuff, so they'll focus their attention on a white guy trying to be voted in as he'll focus on traditional stuff like taxes, education, and such.
 

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Some genders skew to some jobs. Some ethnicities may skew to other jobs.
It's not just tendencies but also natural talent and ability. Let's be blunt, not all of us are born equal.

Regarding your "who cares" question. The PC/diversity/affirmative action crowd cares. That is why highly qualified Asians are refused admission to universities in favor of lesser qualified applicants because they don't want UCLA to have an 80% Asian student population.
 

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As long as Canada has an honest system of elections, it will likely be a white person getting voted in as Canada is mostly white.
On the other hand, "redneck" Calgary has a Muslim mayor and in the U.S. they have a black president and an E.I. governor in "red neck" Louisiana. I'm sure there are other similar examples.
 
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