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People with at least one shot: Canada 46.24% USA 47.09%

JohnLarue

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Haha you are starting to think like Elmer Fudd. lol Numbers are the number are the number. There has been no supply issue for a few weeks now, its more of an injection capacity vs doses. We are close to the most powerful nation on earth in first doses. That is a GREAT success.

Why would this be necessary in your lie filled world, if Justins vaccine procurement has not been a failure

Canadians can drive to U.S. for COVID-19 vax and avoid quarantine, Ottawa confirms (yahoo.com)

The exemption offers people within driving range of border states awash in vaccines a relatively simple way to get a coveted shot quickly. While supplies are ramping up in Canada, distribution in many areas remains tenuous and age and other eligibility limits remain in place.
The federal government has said millions of COVID-19 inoculation doses are set to start arriving in the coming days, but supplies remain limited in many areas.
The current 4 month dose spacing is do to Justin's screw up , not your after the fact and inappropriate geriatric study
you will hard pressed to explain any walk back of the 4 month delay , if in fact it was implemented based on sound medical advice as you claim

In fact delaying the second dose for those over 80 is likely not appropriate either, as the extra wait time represents a significant portion of the time they have left on this earth

You have no shame wrt your unconditional apologizing for the moron Justin Trudeau
 
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reluctance to taking the vaccines in the US
There is reluctance here as well. Esp with the yokles up north that think this is a city disease. There is an outbreak in Timmins now. Mayor is pleading with people to get vaxxed
 

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LOL according to the CDC almost 40% of the US is FULLY vaccinated. The interval between shots is 21-28 days.

Vs. Canada @ a woeful 3.5%, with four months between shots. Due in large part to Mr Blackface dicking around with a China-based vaccine until Aug/2020 when they laughed and kicked Little Potato to the curb. With no plan B, no plan C.

YAY Trudeau lol
Canada did the right thing in delaying the administering of the second dose. The Scientific studies does indicate that delaying the second dose by at least 12 weeks builds better antibodies than those who were administered the second dose within three weeks. The fact is that Canada signed the Pfizer, AstraZeneca and Moderna vaccine contracts ahead of the numerous EU nations except the UK and The USA. In other words Canada did not put all their eggs in one basket as is your assumption. But for once blame the inept Conservative Governments for dumping Connaught Labs that could have been Canada's solution to this Vaccine. All they do is cry like little babies but have no real solution to anything during the pandemic. No wonder that Error the Tool's popularity is in the dumps!!

But obviously you hate the fact that Canada are going to surpass the USA in having at least one dose administered that this thread is all about!! Alternative would have been clueless Error The Tool!!
 
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Why would this be necessary in your lie filled world, if Justins vaccine procurement has not been a failure

Canadians can drive to U.S. for COVID-19 vax and avoid quarantine, Ottawa confirms (yahoo.com)





The current 4 month dose spacing is do to Justin's screw up , not your after the fact and inappropriate geriatric study
you will hard pressed to explain any walk back of the 4 month delay , if in fact it was implemented based on sound medical advice as you claim

In fact delaying the second dose for those over 80 is likely not appropriate either, as the extra wait time represents a significant portion of the time they have left on this earth

You have no shame wrt your unconditional apologizing for the moron Justin Trudeau
Just because the USA banned exports and we are slightly behind them its a failure? You still have not been able to articulate how "success" could have been achieved. As it stands plan B is working well. I do not see a path that was available to Canada for faster access to vaccines.
 

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So what are your key points that say hes a failure? I think most Canadians know that the other options are far worse. Its pretty apparent. When you contrast the 2008 crisis and the covid crisis, (which is far worse) Canadians have fared MUCH MUCH better then under Harper during a crisis. Supports for the poor have been quick and generous. It was the right thing to do. Never would have happened under mailroom boy Scheer. Clear as day things would be much worse. Then you look at the fine examples of Conservatism at the provincial level, the Kenny Dougy and Moe stooges show. Its a no brainer. Conservatives do not lead for the people, they lead only for their personal betterment. Kenny will get some huge job at TC canada for the 1.5B he flushed down the toilet. Its pure corruption. Expensive and shameless.
That has to be one of your most ridiculous post and you have quit a few of them

The Justin Trudeau Failure Hit Parade

  1. vaccine procurement - failure- his own party recognizes this has been a disaster
  2. bill c-10 nightmare -failure- this is very dangerous, all Canadians should be very concerned
  3. Aga Con- Failure- corrupt or just stupid?
  4. attack on small business- Failure
  5. Boil water advisory- Failure
  6. Reconciliation- Failure
  7. First past the post - Failure
  8. Pipelines- Failure
  9. TM pipeline - He painted himself into a corner and used your tax dollars to paint over his mistake and it will be a 4 B$ throw away
  10. Free Trade agreement- C- (only because he was dealing with an irrational trump)
  11. East West division- MASSIVE Failure. What an idiot
  12. Rail Blockades - Failure
  13. Pipeline blockades - Failure
  14. SNC - MASSIVE Failure- - he is corrupt
  15. UN Security council seat - Failure
  16. International relations- Failure- he is recognized world wide as a virtual signaling fool
  17. China- Failure - they laugh at him
  18. We Sandal MASSIVE Failure- - he is corrupt...... again
  19. Proroguing Parliament - Failure- promised he would never do this.... did not figure on getting caught for being corrupt/ stupid
  20. Feminism- Failure- JWR , Jane Philpott , The Grooper, Now General Vance, ,,,,,,,,,,,,did not figure on getting caught for being corrupt/ stupid
  21. Blackface - Failure- Blames all Canadians when he gets caught for being a racist fool, a racist fool so many times he lost count
  22. Canadian Veterans - There is no money ??? then he drives the debt over the trillion dollar mark and sends billions overseas
  23. Zero financial responsibility - Massive Failure- You will feel massive pain because of this fool
And somehow you think this is success???


  • The only impressive thing is how Justin/ Gerald managed to cram all of these failures into such a short time frame
It is only a matter of time before this fool has another self inflicted wound
 

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Just because the USA banned exports and we are slightly behind them its a failure?
Any delay due to poor judgement is a failure
What part of "The Prime Minsters primary responsibility is Canadians Safety" do you not understand?
The same part he still does not understand ?


You still have not been able to articulate how "success" could have been achieved.
What part of " A different Prime Minister who understands the responsibilities of the position " do you not understand ?

As it stands plan B is working well.
According to you, but too bad you apologize for the moron unconditionally, so your opinion is worthless


I do not see a path that was available to Canada for faster access to vaccines.
Well then you are pretty slow as having the original deal fall apart months latter obviously drives a delay

What part of " having to start over will mean delays" do you not understand ?
What part of " having to go the the back of the line will mean delays" do you not understand ?
Are you that infatuated with Justin , that you can not apply common sense ?

You do not see what you do not want to see
 

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Well done to all those helping get shots in arms. We will surpass the USA this week!!!
And we could have done twice as good if we would have divided each does by two and give everyone only half a doze.
 

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Haha you are starting to think like Elmer Fudd. lol Numbers are the number are the number. There has been no supply issue for a few weeks now, its more of an injection capacity vs doses. We are close to the most powerful nation on earth in first doses. That is a GREAT success.
Actually the success should be credited to the various provincial governments and the workers who have been able to coordinate such an effort.

The Federal government was very late in acquiring the vaccinations but fortunately the provincial governments have been there to help make up for lost time.
 

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Any delay due to poor judgement is a failure
What part of "The Prime Minsters primary responsibility is Canadians Safety" do you not understand?
The same part he still does not understand ?



What part of " A different Prime Minister who understands the responsibilities of the position " do you not understand ?


According to you, but too bad you apologize for the moron unconditionally, so your opinion is worthless



Well then you are pretty slow as having the original deal fall apart months latter obviously drives a delay

What part of " having to start over will mean delays" do you not understand ?
What part of " having to go the the back of the line will mean delays" do you not understand ?
Are you that infatuated with Justin , that you can not apply common sense ?

You do not see what you do not want to see
lol, you assume there was a possiblity of siging the deal earlier, what makes you thinks that was avail on good terms? It was possible we were able with our US contacts to sign with Pfizer on the same terms. Look at how well that contract is performing. The Sinovac vaccine was in very early stages of testing, in fact all were. Can you point it any other nation that signed deals much earlier then Canada did? Well I know you can't. The USA signed on July 22nd and Canada signed on Aug 5th. This is a very short delay considering eveything that was happening at the time and where a small nation like Canada stands on the priority list. Israel actually signed a deal AFTER Canada and the USA. So all your allegations of delay are just BULLLLLLLLLLSHITTTTTTTTT
 
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Actually the success should be credited to the various provincial governments and the workers who have been able to coordinate such an effort.

The Federal government was very late in acquiring the vaccinations but fortunately the provincial governments have been there to help make up for lost time.
I said all the people. Please show some evidence that the Feds were late. We are a country of only 37M and we are #3 now. Canadians have this bizzare misplaced view of Canadas importance in the world. Some how they think when the Canadian Minister of Procurement calls that Pfizer will put the USA and EU on hold lol.

If DOFO had followed advice and deployed the vax with more a more sophisticated approach, thousands of deaths could have been avoided and we would not be in lockdown today. Yeah so F U DOFO.
 

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I said all the people. Please show some evidence that the Feds were late. We are a country of only 37M and we are #3 now. Canadians have this bizzare misplaced view of Canadas importance in the world. Some how they think when the Canadian Minister of Procurement calls that Pfizer will put the USA and EU on hold lol.

If DOFO had followed advice and deployed the vax with more a more sophisticated approach, thousands of deaths could have been avoided and we would not be in lockdown today. Yeah so F U DOFO.
Show you where the Feds were late? Seriously?

Here is but one link to thousands of others - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

If you search on Terb you will find numerous other links supporting this.
 

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Show you where the Feds were late? Seriously?

Here is but one link to thousands of others - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

If you search on Terb you will find numerous other links supporting this.
Did you even READ that article. It provides a WHOLE list of reason why at that time time we were behind the USA and UK so how would you mitigate those reasons? And BTW we were always close to many EU countries and are now ahead. People like you read the headline and just take it as gospel. We are now about on par with the US and ahead of many.
 
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Did you even READ that article. It provides a WHOLE list of reason why at that time time we were behind the USA and UK so how would you mitigate those reasons? And BTW we were always close to many EU countries and are now ahead. People like you read the headline and just take it as gospel. We are now about on par with the US and ahead of many.
I read the article. Canada has been late getting vaccinations. Do not let your man-love for Trudeau cloud your judgement.
 

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One of the pop ups in GTA administered over 10,000 doses in one day. The next big hurdle is vaccine hesitancy and CA seems to be winning there. While producing massive amounts of vaccine is no easy task, it seems easier than getting everybody to stick out their arms. What's with this "Evil Biden wants to save my life, but I won't let him?"...
 

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All the data is pointing to a better outcome with longer intervals. Cases are dropping all over Canada and the success of the 1 shot plan is becoming clearer by the day. Yet the Cons hang on to this critique like a middle aged man to his last Tee shirt from his teenage years. lol

Ummmm no, just no lol. Not ALL data, SOME data. The data you choose to agree with

In fact Pfizer is on record as unequivocally stating that they do not recommend an extension to the 21 days between shots. Certainly not 3-4 months.


The jury is still out on the efficacy of ONE shot as it relates to those pesky little variants that keep rearing their ugly heads like a game of whack-a-mole.

Suffice to say most people would rather be represented in the 40% who have TWO doses (the US), vs the 45% of Canadians who have only ONE. Not sure what part of that you don't understand.


In any case it is way too soon to be bestowing such adulation and hero-worship on your cult leader who is solely responsible for this tragic delay in procuring vaccines.


THE GLOBE AND MAIL
One dose of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine still leaves recipients vulnerable to variants: U.K. study
APRIL 30, 2021


Researchers in Britain have found that one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine provides insufficient protection against new variants of the COVID-19 virus and urged public-health officials to be vigilant about ensuring that people receive a second injection.

“We’re looking rather vulnerable to variants after one dose,” said Danny Altmann, a professor of immunology at Imperial College London who co-authored the research.

Dr. Altmann said the findings were especially relevant to countries such as Britain, where most people have had only one dose of a vaccine so far. More than 34.2 million people in the United Kingdom have had one shot and 14.5 million have had two.

“For the situation of countries like the U.K., we’re saying hang on a minute, those people are doing well at the moment, and the U.K. has done well, but watch out and keep your eye on the ball for the variants because [people] are far more vulnerable than you might have expected to the variant strains,” he told a media briefing on Friday.

In a study released Friday, the scientists tracked 731 British health care workers for several months last year. About half of those in the study group had contracted COVID-19 during the first wave of the pandemic in March, 2020, while the remainder had not been infected.

The study found that those who’d previously had a mild or even asymptomatic infection had a far higher immune response after one dose of the Pfizer vaccine than those who hadn’t been ill. The immune response was so strong, the study said, that it also offered good protection against the variants first detected in Britain and South Africa.

The study “is basically showing that if you’ve had prior COVID-19, and then you’ve had a single dose vaccine, you are really in a different league in terms of your immune response,” said Rosemary Boyton, a professor of immunology and respiratory medicine at Imperial College who co-authored the study. “It’s almost like the infection has acted as a prime and the first dose has acted as a boost.”

However, the group of volunteers who had not been infected showed a much weaker immune response to the variants after one dose. The study showed that their level of neutralizing antibodies was 11- to 25-fold lower against the B. 1.1.7 variant compared with the original version of the virus, “resulting in the majority of individuals falling below the protective threshold.”

The research team said their findings also likely apply to other variants in circulation, such as the P.1, first detected and Brazil, and the B.1.617 and B.1.618 variants, first associated with India.

While Britain has seen a dramatic drop in infections, deaths and hospitalizations since January, when a variant detected outside London began to spread rapidly, Dr. Altmann urged caution given that new mutations have surfaced.

“One dose in terms of all of our measurable immune parameters of [the Pfizer vaccine] really does look very, very feeble and all the more so against variants,” he said. “And yet whatever the level of immunity that it’s induced, it’s certainly been enough to have had some impact. But it’s really very, very weak compared to two doses. My message from that would be hang on in there for your second dose.”

Both researchers stressed that they weren’t suggesting that vaccines won’t work, but that the public should be careful about the level of protection one jab offers.

"What we are saying for a country for example like the U.K. that has the majority of its vaccinated people on one dose and also has one eye on the horizon for any incoming variants of concern, that’s a potential real vulnerability. And a solution would be to keep up your guard on the surveillance of variants and get the second dose to people.”
 
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Here's an excerpt right from the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) website in the US. Lots more where this came from:

Using a single dose regimen and/or administering less than the dose studied in the clinical trials without understanding the nature of the depth and duration of protection that it provides is concerning, as there is some indication that the depth of the immune response is associated with the duration of protection provided. If people do not truly know how protective a vaccine is, there is the potential for harm because they may assume that they are fully protected when they are not, and accordingly, alter their behavior to take unnecessary risks.

We know that some of these discussions about changing the dosing schedule or dose are based on a belief that changing the dose or dosing schedule can help get more vaccine to the public faster. However, making such changes that are not supported by adequate scientific evidence may ultimately be counterproductive to public health.

We have committed time and time again to make decisions based on data and science. Until vaccine manufacturers have data and science supporting a change, we continue to strongly recommend that health care providers follow the FDA-authorized dosing schedule for each COVID-19 vaccine.
 

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Ummmm no, just no lol. Not ALL data, SOME data. The data you choose to agree with

In fact Pfizer is on record as unequivocally stating that they do not recommend an extension to the 21 days between shots. Certainly not 3-4 months.


The jury is still out on the efficacy of ONE shot as it relates to those pesky little variants that keep rearing their ugly heads like a game of whack-a-mole.

Suffice to say most people would rather be represented in the 40% who have TWO doses (the US), vs the 45% of Canadians who have only ONE. Not sure what part of that you don't understand.
So what, you want two shots close together in Canada and another month or two of lockdown?
 
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