Police Cameras Downtown

[The Bandit]

Why are some people so up in arms over the police cameras downtown? You're in public, others can see you, so why can't the police? What difference does it make if a policeman/woman is standing there, or a camera?If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn't bother you.
They're there for your safety!

Do the security cameras in stores bother you also?

 

[1HandInMyPocket]

i remember hearing or reading somewhere that in England (I believe) where they also have close-circuit cameras to watch for crimes, that you can also request those videos that have captured you.

 

[frankcastle]

Critical thinking courses don't think highly of slippery slopes

Here's a link outlining common fallacies that people use in arguments.

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~kak7409/Fallacies.html#6. Slippery Slope

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I mean traffic cameras have been around for a while and that hasn't led to a big brother state. A lot of other things have to happen before we get there so to predict such an outcome seems a bit heavy handed.

And perhaps this also falls under the category of "appeal to emotion (fear)"

Anyways, I think given the number of debates that go on terb reading this link can be interesting.

I'm not suggesting I am expert at this sort of stuff and my arguments often have their flaws as well.

 

[xxxstar]

The systems in England are constantly manned by police and there are loud speakers for communications. Are we eventually moving towards this rather than actual police presence on the streets?

 

[frankcastle]

Next they will get on the loud speaker and threaten to flick the street lights on and off.

 

[pussylicker]

I'm not suggesting I am expert at this sort of stuff and my arguments often have their flaws as well.

You are right, you are not.

Critical thinking courses don't think highly of slippery slopes

Here's a link outlining common fallacies that people use in arguments.

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~kak7409/Fallacies.html#6. Slippery Slope

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. I mean traffic cameras have been around for a while and that hasn't led to a big brother state. A lot of other things have to happen before we get there so to predict such an outcome seems a bit heavy handed.

We are already there. You just don't want to admit to it. Do you not realize how things have changed since 9/11? CBC just had a story recently, and I saw another story on TV this week, how computers can research a face from an airport camera against a data base to the tune of about 6 million per minute. The State Troopers and other police forces in the States are at about 40% retrofited with camera systems that link via radio/sat signal to the mainframe, to do a recognition search. Cameras have been in police cruisers since at least '83, so this isn't new, but it is getting used more now than before. Bad for the criminal, and better for police safety, as well as convictions, so they claim.

With this technology, they via computer, can watch unmanned areas, and with a specific program, the computer turns into a profiler, and can label you a criminal or even a terrorists based on facial expression and gait. Is that not BIG BROTHER?

 

[pussylicker]

Why are some people so up in arms over the police cameras downtown? You're in public, others can see you, so why can't the police? What difference does it make if a policeman/woman is standing there, or a camera?If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn't bother you.
They're there for your safety!

Do the security cameras in stores bother you also?

I don't have a problem with a person watching me. Nothing is recorded. Wereas cameras can hold an image, store it, and could be used negatively in the future. It is already fact that images can be doctored, or forged. Music videos and movies (Forest Gump is a great example) have shown people in places they've never been. Pictures can be photoshopped.

We are losing our freedom, plain and simple.

If the farking Gov't had done their job instead of giving into bleeding hearts, we might not be here yet. If the farking Justice system did it's job, we wouldn't be here period. Safety isn't the issue. Safety didn't keep Jane Creba alive. There is nothing preventative about it. At best it is only good after the fact, so I say it is knee jerk reactive, not proactive.

 

[Fabulous]

Safety isn't the issue. Safety didn't keep Jane Creba alive. There is nothing preventative about it. At best it is only good after the fact, so I say it is knee jerk reactive, not proactive.

As stupid as they are; I doubt those punks be having their shootouts knowing they are being video taped. It's a deterent - so I would consider the cameras proactive.

Personally I don't think it takes away from my freedom. I am not doing anything criminal walking on the street and I don't worry about somebody snatching my image and editing it (that's rediculous, or is it ridickulous). If that's what we have to do now days to try and prevent those types of crimes in the city - than so be it. We are moving into a new age, different world, I accept it.

 

[David Beckham 23]

As stupid as they are; I doubt those punks be having their shootouts knowing they are being video taped. It's a deterent - so I would consider the cameras proactive.

Personally I don't think it takes away from my freedom. I am not doing anything criminal walking on the street and I don't worry about somebody snatching my image and editing it (that's rediculous, or is it ridickulous). If that's what we have to do now days to try and prevent those types of crimes in the city - than so be it. We are moving into a new age, different world, I accept it.

I totally agree with you. But now lets through in our hobbying scenario. What if they decided to put cameras near your favorite incall or MP?

It would definitely slow down my hobbhying. But it could increase my football playing time.

 

[ig-88]

I totally agree with you. But now lets through in our hobbying scenario. What if they decided to put cameras near your favorite incall or MP?

It would definitely slow down my hobbhying. But it could increase my football playing time.

The incall agencies in the UK do that. They use surveillance cameras for the door to the apartment brothel. They say it is for the SPs safety. Who knows what they do with the video? (i.e. archive it) Smile! You're on John TV.

What if they decide to put cameras in hotel rooms?

 

[Fabulous]

I totally agree with you. But now lets through in our hobbying scenario. What if they decided to put cameras near your favorite incall or MP?

oh oh, I hate to be the barer (sp?) of bad news; most incall places have cameras in their buildings and MP's too. Sowwwy

 

[David Beckham 23]

oh oh, I hate to be the barer (sp?) of bad news; most incall places have cameras in their buildings and MP's too. Sowwwy

I'm talking about police cameras.

 

[pussylicker]

As stupid as they are; I doubt those punks be having their shootouts knowing they are being video taped...

Personally I don't think it takes away from my freedom. I am not doing anything criminal walking on the street and I don't worry about somebody snatching my image and editing it (that's rediculous, or is it ridickulous). If that's what we have to do now days to try and prevent those types of crimes in the city - than so be it. We are moving into a new age, different world, I accept it.

They already have cameras downtown in stores, and they can capture various angles of different images from outside. These "punks" may be stupid, but they are smart enough to know about cameras, and the possibility of being captured on video. These "punks" don't care, plain and simple, or why would they have taken someones life. If they wanted to be accurate, and take out one specific person, they could have, but no, they fire at will, taking out a precious life. These same "punks" walk into corner stores, and rob them, knowing that most stores have cameras for "protection".

They don't care what the consequences are, because they know our justice system sucks. The deterioration of our courts, and police catching these "punks", and then getting released is more the norm than the exception. The deterent would have been knowing they would get the death sentence, or at least life with no parole. You can't use your argument to to say new cameras are going to be a deterent.

You might not think it takes away from your freedoms, but it's people like you, who will accept everything that happens, and when it's too late, wonder why you can't do what you used to to do freely. If you hobby, depending on the outcome of future Gov't legislation, you could be in a position to be charged for doing something "criminal". Maybe they have an image of you doing your part in enjoying yourself, in what you consider harmless fun, but the police come and take you away. I know, you'll say I'm way out of touch with reality, but what if? Too many people are content with the status quo, when it changes slowly, but once you realize that it is a drastic change from what you used to have, it will be too late.

You admit it is a different world. Wake up and quit adding to the change.

 

[Cobster]

Eh, right now it doesn't bother me as much as the paperwork big brother stuff.
ie - personal information in black and white.

Wonder how much influence the boxing day killing of Creba played in this.

 

[pussylicker]

Eh, right now it doesn't bother me as much as the paperwork big brother stuff.
ie - personal information in black and white.

Don't you mean the info stored in bytes?

 

[Sasha Jones]

...............Wereas cameras can hold an image, store it, and could be used negatively in the future. It is already fact that images can be doctored, or forged. Music videos and movies (Forest Gump is a great example) have shown people in places they've never been. Pictures can be photoshopped. .................

I love it when people make statements such as this!
What makes you think that you are so important that someone, likely a police official at that, will take your image and alter it to make you look like a criminal.

Give me a friggen break.

What if there were cameras there last year? Would Jane Creba still be alive? Nobody can really say that for sure BUT if you could see into the future and knew that having a camera at that street corner would have prevented her from being killed that day would you still object to it being placed there?
What if it was YOUR daughter?
I'm sorry but if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about by being captured on police cameras and if you are still paranoid perhaps you should stop being so full of yourselves.

 

[Cobster]

Don't you mean the info stored in bytes?

100101 11010101 100100010 01010100101 1010100101

That's computer for, YES.

 

[Svend]

The government having my DNA, fingerprints, photos will speed up investigations and find me NOT guilty - then they can quickly move on to find the guilty.
I'll draw the line when they want to have cameras inside my home, but in a public area it's good to know people are watching if something serious happens.

Would I accept a loudspeaker warning me if I litter, no - but that's part of the slippery slope.

 

[pussylicker]

I can't believe the NAIVE people on here

I love it when people make statements such as this!

Nobody can really say that for sure BUT if you could see into the future and knew that having a camera at that street corner would have prevented her from being killed that day would you still object to it being placed there?
What if it was YOUR daughter?
I'm sorry but if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about by being captured on police cameras and if you are still paranoid perhaps you should stop being so full of yourselves.

Sasha,

I know you are intelligent lady, I just hope you have a good memory, and will remember you were told. I don't want to come looking for you to say I told you so, because when it gets that bad, everyone will be under the control of the Gov't, and I won't be around to be tracked.

I hate it when people dismiss what will happen as fluff. Go back and put the blinders on, or let them pull the wool over your eyes. Do you think Orwells book was a bunch of BS, or that nobody in their right mind could predict travel to the moon? There have been a lot of things that were invented, that were predicted would happen well in advance of technology. Were they all crazy? Don't you see where our world is headed?

Does you car have On Star? Someone sitting at the control center can monitor your every movement via satelite. Do you have a cell phone? Someone can track your personal movement via the fact that all cell phones have the roaming feature. Oh, you say that is so you can always get a signal and make a call. That my friend is reverse tracking. My point is the system is already in place to track your every movement, whether you've done something to warrant it or not. That is an invasion of privacy, whether you are on a public street or not.

Back in the mid '80s a friend of mine was tracked buy the police for suspected drug dealing. I saw the tracking device they put on his car. He wasn't selling drugs, and wasn't even using, yet the police got stupid.

Cameras don't stop something from happening. Banks still get robbed. People still run red lights.They can only aid after the fact. My point is there aren't enough police officers to go around, because of the court system, so why not use technology to save a few man hours. Cameras can't stop criminals. Cameras can't catch criminals. Only the guys down at the local doughnut hole can, and if they'd get off their fat butts and patrol, then I would feel safer. Police don't live up to their moto, to serve and protect.

If you are not doing anything wrong, don't worry, be happy, knowing that someone could be watching what you do. And no, it isn't Santa Claus, but have a Merry Christmas anyway.

 

[Cobster]

It's called Binary code Cobster and you just said "VD©j" not "Yes".

01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110010 01110010 01100101 01100011 01110100 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00100000 01100011 01101111 01100100 01100101 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 00100000 01111001 01100101 01110011 00001010

I knew it was BINARY, but I was keeping it simple, for simplicity sake.
As for the EXACT coding of "yes",
01111001 01100101 01110011
or "YES"
01011001 01000101 01010011
I really wish they had a slapping smiley