Pollster Nate Silver calls Ocasio-Cortez most likely to be 2028 Democratic presidential nominee

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the Dems will eat this up...watch the MSM and their base regurgitate a new narrative... AOC is the best thing since sliced bread.... good luck convincing the indies....If Kamala can't beat Donald...AOC will do even worse...
I don't agree with AOC's view of most things, but she is a tremendous retail politician.
 

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Didn't he kind of miss the shift in the popular vote nationally?
You always have to separate Silver's poll aggregation work (which is just a method of analysis and weighting on the polls) from his punditry.
He doesn't do polling himself and he has gone from being just about the math and not doing pundit-like opinion hot takes to doing them a lot. (And they... aren't great.)
 
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the Dems will eat this up...watch the MSM and their base regurgitate a new narrative... AOC is the best thing since sliced bread.... good luck convincing the indies....If Kamala can't beat Donald...AOC will do even worse...
"The Dems" will do no such thing.
Nate Silver isn't going to be driving a narrative here.

AOC has been discussed as a candidate since she became a big name.
That won't change.
Right now, leadership of the Democratic party is very much up for grabs and that isn't going to settle out quickly and it certainly won't just because Nate Silver says so.
 

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No he doesn't but the Democrats has a leadership crisis...
Not sure it is a crisis.
There is absolutely a leadership vacancy, though.
There are a bunch of people leading smaller parts of the party and the groups around the party.
That will slowly consolidate.

Schumer isn't popular, Pelosi is done... Bernie isn't up to task... it's either Kamala or AOC...
Where the hell do you get "it's either Kamala or AOC"?
They are by no means the only contenders here.

what I don't understand is why not prop up Shapiro...i'd consider Josh a contender...why the democrats try to push out center left and go with the progressive left is beyond me.
I don't know anyone "pushing out" Shapiro.
He's a name that gets thrown around a lot as a potential leader.
 

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Not sure it is a crisis.
There is absolutely a leadership vacancy, though.
There are a bunch of people leading smaller parts of the party and the groups around the party.
That will slowly consolidate.



Where the hell do you get "it's either Kamala or AOC"?
They are by no means the only contenders here.



I don't know anyone "pushing out" Shapiro.
He's a name that gets thrown around a lot as a potential leader.
Josh IMO is the best candidate on the democrats party. He will reign in the undecided. Kamala is already a proven failure. AOC will implode...I don't think she will do well in the primary debates. If the democrats want to win 2028, they have to pick a leader this early. If they do "consolidate" it has to be done early. Heck even Stephen A Smith is prefered than Kamala now. LoL
 
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Josh IMO is the best candidate on the democrats party. He will reign in the undecided.
His fans certainly think so.
But there are lots of people who look good at the local/state level and don't manage the jump to Presidential candidate.

(That sets aside the question of party leadership being separate from presidential candidate. Those aren't the same thing, exactly.)

Kamala is already a proven failure. AOC will implode...I don't think she will do well in the primary debates. If the democrats want to win 2028, they have to pick a leader this early. If they do "consolidate" it has to be done early. Heck even Stephen A Smith is prefered than Kamala now. LoL
Why do you think they need to do it this early?
The Presidential primary process is already very long.
Why the need to finish it before the midterms have even happened?
 

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No he doesn't but the Democrats has a leadership crisis... Schumer isn't popular, Pelosi is done... Bernie isn't up to task... it's either Kamala or AOC...what I don't understand is why not prop up Shapiro...i'd consider Josh a contender...why the democrats try to push out center left and go with the progressive left is beyond me.
We go through this every Presidential election cycle. Pundits will say the party that lost has a leadership crisis. This is partially because we don't have a parliamentary system. There is no immediate need for the "opposition" to rush to determine or follow a leader.

The Democrats will settle on a leader around March of 2028. That will most likely not be a problem for them even if there is a crowded field. The Democratic nominee will have seven months to present their platform to the American public.

Don't forget that the Republicans will have no anointed leader in 2028. Vance will have as good a shot as any, but I wouldn't assume he will be the Republican nominee in 2028.

It appears the Democrats are pushing further left because I think the leaders of the Moderate wing are out in the States (Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear). They are currently Governors. Newsom is intriguing because he is the Governor of a large, progressive state. He also seems determined to try to bridge the progressives and the moderates. He might have the skill to pull that off. I'm not sure.
 
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We go through this every Presidential election cycle. Pundits will say the party that lost has a leadership crisis. This is partially because we don't have a parliamentary system. There is no immediate need for the "opposition" to rush to determine or follow a leader.

The Democrats will settle on a leader around March of 2028. That will most likely not be a problem for them even of there is a crowded field. The Democratic nominee will have seven months to present their platform to the American public.

Don't forget that the Republicans will have no anointed leader in 2028. Vance will have as good a shot as any, but I wouldn't assume he will be the Republican nominee in 2028.

It appears the Democrats are pushing further left because I think the leaders of the Moderate wing are out in the States (Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear). They are currently Governors. Newsom is intriguing because he is the Governor of a large, progressive state. He also seems determined to try to bridge the progressives and the moderates. He might have the skill to pull that off. I'm not sure.
Well, moving to the right and backing AIPAC's goals didn't work.
Time for a change.

But then again, maybe she did win and trump just cheated, like he said.

 
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Well, moving to the right and backing AIPAC's goals didn't work.
Time for a change.

But then again, maybe she did win and trump just cheated, like he said.

So Trump cheated,according to whom? the democrats didn't lose because of AIPAC...the republicans back AIPAC too...it's Harris lack of popularity and lack of substance that scared off the undecided...it was easy enough for Trump to convince the battleground states... Border policy, bring back manufacturing and advocate for ceasefire....that's what the voters wanted... going further left will widen the gap... if the voters didn't want a far left in Harris, what makes you think an even more progressive AOC is the answer? the democrats need to move close to center to reign in the undecided....
 

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So Trump cheated,according to whom? the democrats didn't lose because of AIPAC...the republicans back AIPAC too...it's Harris lack of popularity and lack of substance that scared off the undecided...it was easy enough for Trump to convince the battleground states... Border policy, bring back manufacturing and advocate for ceasefire....that's what the voters wanted... going further left will widen the gap... if the voters didn't want a far left in Harris, what makes you think an even more progressive AOC is the answer? the democrats need to move close to center to reign in the undecided....
Why should the dems listen to what a right winger thinks they should do?
 
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Why should the dems listen to what a right winger thinks they should do?
If you think I'm a "right winger" you're dead wrong...just because I don't like Kamala and Biden and their policies...but I know you, you're a progressive left wing who thinks trans women are legit women...and Hamas are not a problem.
 

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If you think I'm a "right winger" you're dead wrong...just because I don't like Kamala and Biden and their policies...but I know you, you're a progressive left wing who thinks trans women are legit women...and Hamas are not a problem.
Amazing, you don't think you are a right winger?
 

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By activated i meant they became involved in politics, not in any "diabolical scheme" lol. That was your interpretation. And they were. This is why Trump went to all those Podcasters that appeal to the lost young blokes (and I mean that charitably, their audience had heaps of guy's feeling lost in modern society).
I think you're right though with what you said about Obama or another candidate who might have won.
As I said before Kamala was not my first choice. I agreed with James Carville who wrote about a tournament style series of debates in 4 locations in the usa with the winners debating at the convention. But alas...

Trump's margin was about the same as Biden's in the swing states at least, although Trump had more popular votes than Harris (Bidens popular vote edge was larger for sure).
I don't see many Trump voters being "activated" based on your description of these type of voters and what motivates them.
In 2008, Obama won by a relatively healthy margin and the absolute turnout was higher than 2016. In 2016, Trump fared better with the white vote. That suggests that some voters supported Obama and then later Trump. We all know 2020 was an unusual time with turnout increasing significantly for that election.

Many voters at the fringes change their vote from one election to the next based on general feelings on COVID, the economy, inflation as well as their perception of what the two major parties are prioritizing.

In 2024, I don't think Kamala was a strong enough candidate to turn around the poor situation she was pushed into at the end of July. I think any analysis that goes much beyond that are simply narratives that various groups want to believe.

As far as podcasters influencing the outcome last year, my opinion is that Trump was always ahead. Doing Rogan and other podcasts didn't put him over the top. The pollsters had the same problem they always had picking up Trump voters.
 
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They need to do something to create a resistance to trump.
How would deciding on a presidential candidate years in advance do this?
Why would "resistance to trump" have to start with the Democrats and not grassroots?
Why would crowning a candidate years before anyone votes help with anything in your article?
(Which dates from last month, btw.)
 

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We go through this every Presidential election cycle. Pundits will say the party that lost has a leadership crisis. This is partially because we don't have a parliamentary system. There is no immediate need for the "opposition" to rush to determine or follow a leader.

The Democrats will settle on a leader around March of 2028. That will most likely not be a problem for them even if there is a crowded field. The Democratic nominee will have seven months to present their platform to the American public.
All true.

Don't forget that the Republicans will have no anointed leader in 2028. Vance will have as good a shot as any, but I wouldn't assume he will be the Republican nominee in 2028.
I wouldn't either.
The track record of VPs succeeding presidents hasn't been great and also the power vacuum post-Trump will be particularly striking since he has been such a unique figure in re-shaping the party.


It appears the Democrats are pushing further left because I think the leaders of the Moderate wing are out in the States (Shapiro, Whitmer, Beshear). They are currently Governors. Newsom is intriguing because he is the Governor of a large, progressive state. He also seems determined to try to bridge the progressives and the moderates. He might have the skill to pull that off. I'm not sure.
I am very skeptical of Newsom's chances.
We shall see
 

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How would deciding on a presidential candidate years in advance do this?
Why would "resistance to trump" have to start with the Democrats and not grassroots?
Why would crowning a candidate years before anyone votes help with anything in your article?
(Which dates from last month, btw.)
You're right, everything is totally fine and the dems can just let Pelosi do her thing.
We can just watch from up here as it all falls apart and the Israelification of the US continues drip by drip.

 
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