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wonderboy007 said:
That's not true. Professionals will always use film. Super 16 Film for the Motion Picture Industry have gone up, and the creation of VISION 3 film stock.

Allot of professionals won't use digital for good reasons, but only as an intermediate.
Yet the total market for 'professionals' is probably less than a tenth of 1% of what the film market used to be, so it really has no bearing on Kodak's current sales. I work in the printing industry, who used to be a major consumer of film of all types - and it's all gone. I don't have the numbers, but I would imagine Kodak's 'good-times' sales were something like 40% consumer, 30% industry and 10% professionals and film-makers. Now, they are fighting over the 10%, and losing...
 

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james t kirk said:
Uh, I've been laying under cars for 35 years. Big 3 starters were NEVER $20 to $45.00

Maybe about $100, and then it was rebuilt by some local hack that the parts guy buys from.

6 months later, your starter would be fucked and you'd need another one, and 6 months after that and so on and so forth.
In the early 80's an AC DELCO rebuilt starter was around 45 bucks
 

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Been tinkering with cars awhile also

james t kirk said:
Uh, I've been laying under cars for 35 years. Big 3 starters were NEVER $20 to $45.00
Didn't mean OEM parts.....they cost too much.
When the waterpump went on my 90 LeSabre at 51,000 miles the Mr Goodwrench OEM pump ran $120 with a 90 day warr! I bought a waterpump at a local parts store for $50 with a lifetime warr. It never failed and got rid of that Buick at 170,000 miles.
Same with the electric power am/fm radio ant....GM part ran $130....bought an equal 'after market' electric ant for $25 at the same store.

Once did get an OEM starter for a GF's AMC Gremlin, remember that abortion of a vehicle, for $10 at a junkyard....it lasted a couple years till that POS Gremlin fell apart....:D
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Once did get an OEM starter for a GF's AMC Gremlin, remember that abortion of a vehicle, for $10 at a junkyard....it lasted a couple years till that POS fell apart....:D




Should have taken better care of her emotionally.
 

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Didn't mean OEM parts.....they cost too much.
When the waterpump went on my 90 LeSabre at 51,000 miles the Mr Goodwrench OEM pump ran $120 with a 90 day warr! I bought a waterpump at a local parts store for $50 with a lifetime warr. It never failed and got rid of that Buick at 170,000 miles
So you are comparing repairs at a dealer with OEM parts to after market/wrecker parts back in the back... :eek: Whatever...
 

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hunter001 said:
So you are comparing repairs at a dealer with OEM parts to after market/wrecker parts back in the back... Whatever...
Just pointing out how you can save quite a bit in repairs if you're a bit handy to avoid being 'raped' at the dealers and some auto repair shops.
If you know little, you are like sheep going to the slaughter at some shops. Most repairs are not that difficult but I was lucky when young to have a couple street friends that went on to become auto mechanics that showed me a lot and how to read an auto shop manual. They got all their parts from junkyards saving lots and preached NEVER go the to the OEM dealer once the warr expires....;)
 

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papasmerf said:
Should have taken better care of her emotionally.
LOL!
Took good care of both.
Her Gremlin was a piece of junk but her on the other hand, was a very horny lil Gremlin who couldn't get enough 'servicing'....:p
 

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Just pointing out how you can save quite a bit in repairs if you're a bit handy to avoid being 'raped' at the dealers and some auto repair shops.
If you know little, you are like sheep going to the slaughter at some shops. Most repairs are not that difficult but I was lucky when young to have a couple street friends that went on to become auto mechanics that showed me a lot and how to read an auto shop manual. They got all their parts from junkyards saving lots and preached NEVER go the to the OEM dealer once the warr expires....
Well you were comparing imports vs b3. You can get parts at the bone yard for a Jetta, or change your own oil in an import, ... :rolleyes:
 

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hunter001 said:
Well you were comparing imports vs b3. You can get parts at the bone yard for a Jetta, or change your own oil in an import,
Yeah where you gonna get a 'cheap' Jetta or Mercedes oil filter!....:D
Parts are easy to get for B3 in the boneyard but not so easy for foreign vehicles.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
LOL!
Took good care of both.
Her Gremlin was a piece of junk but her on the other hand, was a very horny lil Gremlin who couldn't get enough 'servicing'....

From the 2007 Time article of the 50 worst cars ever:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html

AMC was profoundly in the weeds at the time, and the Gremlin was the company's attempt to beat Ford and GM to the subcompact punch. To save time and money, Teague's design team basically whacked off the rear of the AMC Hornet with a cleaver. The result was one of the most curiously proportioned cars ever, with a long low snout, long front overhang and a truncated tail, like the tail snapped off a salamander. Cheap and incredibly deprived — with vacuum-operated windshield wipers, no less ...the Gremlin was also awful to drive, with a heavy six-cylinder motor and choppy, unhappy handling due to the loss of suspension travel in the back. The Gremlin was quicker than other subcompacts but, alas, that only meant you heard the jeers and laughter that much sooner. :D

A funny article to read.

The 1982 Camaro Iron Duke write up is funny too:

"There was a time when 90 horsepower was a lot, and that time was 1932. Fifty years later, it was bupkis, especially under the hood of Chevy's beloved Mustang-fighter, the Camaro. As the base engine for the redesigned 1982 Camaro (and Pontiac Firebird), the 2.5-liter, four-cylinder "Iron Duke" was the smallest, least powerful, most un-Camaro-like engine that could be and, like the California Corvette, it was connected to a low-tech three-speed slushbox. So equipped, the Iron Duke Camaro had 0-60 mph acceleration of around 20 seconds, which left Camaro owners to drum their fingers while school buses rocketed past in a blur of yellow. lol

Or the 1984 Biturbo:

"Biturbo" is, of course, Italian for "expensive junk." At least, it is now, after Maserati tried to pass off this bitter heartbreak-on-wheels as a proper grand touring sedan. The Biturbo was the product of a desperate, under-funded company circling the drain of bankruptcy, and it shows. Everything that could leak, burn, snap or rupture did so with the regularity of the Anvil Chorus. The collected service advisories would look like the Gutenberg Bible. The only greater ignominy was the early 1990s Maserati TC, a version of the Chrysler Le Baron (a flaccid, front-drive, four-cylinder loser-mobile) with the proud Mazzer Trident on the nose. Finally, sir, have you no shame?
 

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alexmst said:
AMC was profoundly in the weeds at the time, and the Gremlin was the company's attempt to beat Ford and GM to the subcompact punch..... with vacuum-operated windshield wipers, no less ...the Gremlin was also awful to drive, with a heavy six-cylinder motor and choppy, unhappy handling due to the loss of suspension travel in the back.
LOL!!!
Had to replace that crappy motor for the windshield wipers to....:D

Terrible ride, no suspension.....
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Yeah where you gonna get a 'cheap' Jetta or Mercedes oil filter!....
If you looked around I am sure it isn't that big a problem. There are owner's groups you can join to find what you need.

WoodPeckr said:
Parts are easy to get for B3 in the boneyard but not so easy for foreign vehicles.
That is changing and again a little bit of research...
 

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hunter001 said:
That is changing and again a little bit of research...
Changing some but will never get to the point where imports are less costly to repair than domestics....;)
 

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Changing some but will never get to the point where imports are less costly to repair than domestics....
They might be a little more expensive to repair, but repairs/replacing is done less often!
 

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WoodPeckr said:
I did know but most folks today probably don't realize Pontiac was named after that Indian chief.
Funny, I'd always assumed it was named after the city in Michigan with a major GM presence.
 

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kkelso said:
Funny, I'd always assumed it was named after the city in Michigan with a major GM presence.
From Edmunds:

Pontiac is now known as the "driving excitement" division of GM, but the brand originated as the Oakland Car Company of Pontiac, Michigan, in 1907; it was founded by Edward Murphy. Acquired by General Motors in 1909, Oakland introduced the first Pontiac vehicle in 1926. Dubbed the "Chief of the Sixes," the car was powered by a six-cylinder engine and made its debut at that year's New York auto show. It was so successful that the Oakland name was phased out in favor of Pontiac, the name of an 18th-century chief of the Ottawa Indians. Throughout the 1930s and '40s Pontiac made coupes, sedans and wagons in the low-to-mid price ranges. A unique styling cue of Pontiac cars from the mid-'30s to the mid-'50s was known as "Silver Streak," a set of art-deco-inspired chrome "speed lines" that ran up over the length of the hood to the base of the windshield.

The 1950s saw the introduction of the Pontiac Bonneville. The sprawling, stylish cruiser offered equal measures of performance and luxury, and was a breakout hit. But it wasn't until the 1960s that the Pontiac brand truly came into its own. American manufacturers had begun to offer downsized alternatives to the gigantic cruisers that had ruled the highways in previous decades. Pontiac came to market with the compact Tempest. In 1964, Pontiac made its biggest impact yet with the creation of the GTO option for the Tempest. By equipping the car with the powerful 389 cubic-inch V8 from the full-size car line, Pontiac created the first "muscle car." Phenomenally successful, the GTO helped define the burgeoning muscle car category. Pontiac also saw tremendous success during the latter part of this decade with its Firebird and Firebird Trans Am.
 

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kkelso said:
Funny, I'd always assumed it was named after the city in Michigan with a major GM presence.
LOL!
Back in the 50s-60s most cars had 'Hood Ornaments.' Pontiac's hood ornament was one with the indian head of Chief Pontiac on all Pontiac cars. Cars back then had more trim and character to set them apart from others. Then alas, the myopic beancounters took control, swinging their 'cost cutting axes' and hood ornaments were chopped off from cars to save a few pennies or a buck here, a penny there. Since the beaners took over the BIG 3, it was all downhill....:(
 

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America always made junk and will continue to make junk until they all go bankrupt.
 

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MrMessi said:
America always made junk and will continue to make junk until they all go bankrupt.
Right now GM & Ford have their best quality ratings ever, practically equal to the imports and much cheaper in cost to buy and repair. The best bargains are with these two companies right now!....;)
 
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