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gryfin

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No, Israel keeps them from returning. Israel does not keep them in the camps and Israel does not prevent their integration into their host country. Arabs do that.
Why should they not return to their homes? What ideology is stopping them?
 

gryfin

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That's a separate issue. I'm simply pointing out that they have been mistreated by their current captors.
No, what you are really interested in is other countries carrying out the final steps in Israel's ethnic cleansing. That's what's behind all these pleas for other countries to absorb them rather than have Israel accept it's own citizens back.
 

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There are over a million Arabs living in Israel, and they are allowed to own land. I think once they give up their terrorist ideology and cross the border they are no longer Palestinians, just arabs.

I think the UAE have to start allowing Jews to buy and own land in their country. Its only fair.

As far as ethnice cleansing goes, I dont believe in it, I denounce it in Europe, Croatia, Rwanda, Soudan, etc.... but in the case of Israel, its an idea whos time has come. They are Jihaddist breeders, and a threat to the entire world.

They are a retarded group of people, who dont see the cause and effect of rolling out the Israeli war machine. They dont realize that once you get the ball rolling, war is no longer in the hands of people, it becomes its own being.
According to Darwins theory of natural selection, they Palestinians should die out from stupidity in a few years.
 

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No, what you are really interested in is other countries carrying out the final steps in Israel's ethnic cleansing. That's what's behind all these pleas for other countries to absorb them rather than have Israel accept it's own citizens back.
Yup you're spewing the Arab line: Keeping the Palestinians locked in cages like animals is important to your war on Israel. They are your pawns and you don't give a fuck how much they suffer, so long as you can use them against Israel.

Congrats, you're a monster.
 

toguy5252

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The real issue is not those Palestinians who left Israel. ignoring for the moment the entire issue as to whether they left voluntarily or not (notice that I said ignoring for the moment because surely Gryfin will not ignore this) and giving those Palestinians the benefit of saying that they were forced to leave ( and I say this not because I accept it but only for this point) the overwhelming preponderance of the people in the camps have no connection whatsoever to Israel other than their parents or grandparents and have been kept in the camps buy their Arab brethren and encouraged to multiply so that they can overwhelm the population iof Israel demographically. Israel has said that they would negotiate the return and/or compensation of the Palestinians who left regardless of why. It is all of the descendants which is the real issue. They are no more refugees that I can claim refugee status in Poland because my grandparents fled. That is the real travesty of this debate.
 

gryfin

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Yup you're spewing the Arab line: Keeping the Palestinians locked in cages like animals is important to your war on Israel. They are your pawns and you don't give a fuck how much they suffer, so long as you can use them against Israel.

Congrats, you're a monster.
No, Israel could let them back in today if it abandoned the racism inherent in zionism. That's where they live. That's where their property is. That's their home.

Racism has such ugly outcomes doesn't it?
 

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No, Israel could let them back in today if it abandoned the racism inherent in zionism. That's where they live. That's where their property is. That's their home.
That's true, but why haven't the Arabs integrated them into society in the meantime?
 

gryfin

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That's true, but why haven't the Arabs integrated them into society in the meantime?
They want to return to their homes. Full Stop. What steps do think the world should take to make Israel abandon it's racist policies and enable them to return home?
 

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They want to return to their homes. Full Stop. What steps do think the world should take to make Israel abandon it's racist policies and enable them to return home?
They haven't been given the choice. The Arab nations that host the refugees have not provided them with any alternatives, they are locked up in the refugee camps like caged animals by their Arab captors.

Get this point:

If they were let out of their cage and allowed to live normal lives they could STILL return home if/when there is a resolution to the Israel/Palestine issues. They are kept in those camps, for fifty fucking years now, because they are pawns in an Arab chess game with Israel. Nobody cares about them. Nobody.
 

toguy5252

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You seem to always leave the Palestinian themselves out of this. They have voted with their blood and their lives to return to their homes.
The problem is that peole who have no no connection to Israel other than through their parents or grandparents want to return and push the Israelis into the sea, Do you really expect that scenario to play out?
 

gryfin

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The problem is that peole who have no no connection to Israel other than through their parents or grandparents want to return and push the Israelis into the sea, Do you really expect that scenario to play out?
No connection? They live directly on the border of the country they are not allowed to return to because of their religion. Their families have lived there for centuries. They most certainly have infinitely more connection than the Jews who have been handed automatic citizenship because or their religion....that's almost laughable.

As for pushing them into the sea...the only people who have done any pushing out are the Jews of Israel. I'm sure you will agree that remedying this racist state of affairs will be a victory for all people and will bolster universal human rights. It would save countless lives and enrich Israel.
 

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You seem to always leave the Palestinian themselves out of this. They have voted with their blood and their lives to return to their homes.
They've been victimized by both sides. They could wait for their return home while living normal lives. That is what refugees in Canada do, and many of them do indeed some day return to their homelands. In the meantime Canada treats them like human beings. The Arabs treat the Palestinians like caged animals.
 

toguy5252

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No connection? They live directly on the border of the country they are not allowed to return to because of their religion. Their families have lived there for centuries. They most certainly have infinitely more connection than the Jews who have been handed automatic citizenship because or their religion....that's almost laughable.

As for pushing them into the sea...the only people who have done any pushing out are the Jews of Israel. I'm sure you will agree that remedying this racist state of affairs will be a victory for all people and will bolster universal human rights. It would save countless lives and enrich Israel.
I live on the border of the US. So what. The overwhelming majority of the Palestinians have never been inside of Israel and were born outside. A Sovereign nation as Israel is whether you like it or not can make its own immigration policies which it has. The fact that you do not like them changes nothing. Israel has offered to negotiate the return of Palestinians who left Israel. Not their grandchildren.
 

gryfin

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That is what refugees in Canada do, and many of them do indeed some day return to their homelands.
And your source for this is?

It's strange how you seem much more upset about Arab countries than you do the country that's responsible.

It leads me to believe you are just looking for a way to complete the ethnic cleansing Israel started.
 

gryfin

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I live on the border of the US. So what. The overwhelming majority of the Palestinians have never been inside of Israel and were born outside. A Sovereign nation as Israel is whether you like it or not can make its own immigration policies which it has. The fact that you do not like them changes nothing. Israel has offered to negotiate the return of Palestinians who left Israel. Not their grandchildren.
What's up for negotiation? This is there home, their property - they have as much right to go back to their homes as I do everyday. It doesn't matter what reason I leave my home for, I can return to it.

They have as much right to have their grandchildren there as Jews in Israel do. Equal rights mean equal rights.

And the laws of Israel in this have little import. They are the laws of the people who refuse to allow the original inhabitants return because of their religion.

I want you to have these rights in Canada regardless of your race/ethnicity/religion. I'd expect you to want the same for all people.
 

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I want you to have these rights in Canada regardless of your race/ethnicity/religion. I'd expect you to want the same for all people.
In no other case in the entire world are the children of refugees themselves considered refugees. That is a special rule cooked up by UNRWA that applies only to Palestinians and to nobody else. My theory is that it is UNRWA's way of making sure they get funding forever. There are a lot of fat juicy jobs on the line at UNRWA if this issue is ever settled.

If you are a refugee in Canada and you have a baby, your child is a full fledged Canadian citizen, not a refugee.
 
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