No, it's got to do with not rewarding ethnic cleansing. Refusing the return for this long was a pathetic attempt to destroy the will of Palestinians and make it impossible for them to return. But the Palestinians are almost indestructible and will make a great contribution to Israel. The world won't end with diversity. Just look around you.
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The underlying premise of your statements is simply false. The lie of ethnic cleansing has been proven false time after time and year after year. Israel will never agree to the repatriation of all of the Palestinians regardless of their place of birth etc. get over it. it will never happen. if the Palestinians want to have a homeland within secure borders that is an admirable and achievable goal. Repatriation of of all Palestinians within Israel is not.No, it's got to do with not rewarding ethnic cleansing. Refusing the return for this long was a pathetic attempt to destroy the will of Palestinians and make it impossible for them to return. But the Palestinians are almost indestructible and will make a great contribution to Israel. The world won't end with diversity. Just look around you.
Then why can't they return to their homes?The underlying premise of your statements is simply false. The lie of ethnic cleansing has been proven false time after time and year after year. Israel will never agree to the repatriation of all of the Palestinians regardless of their place of birth etc. get over it. it will never happen. if the Palestinians want to have a homeland within secure borders that is an admirable and achievable goal. Repatriation of of all Palestinians within Israel is not.
By punishing the victims? Hello?! Anybody home?No, it's got to do with not rewarding ethnic cleansing.
I agree the Palestinian refugees have been ill treated by the Israelis, I am simply pointing out the Arabs have been no better, maybe even worse.
Israel has said time and again as part of a negotiation those who were dissposssed will be permitted to return or compensated. The issue is not the real refugees it is the children and grandchildren etc.Then why can't they return to their homes?
You only suggest carrying out the final step of Israel's ethnic cleansing. What do you propose to force Israel to let the original inhabitants back?By punishing the victims? Hello?! Anybody home?
I agree the Palestinian refugees have been ill treated by the Israelis, I am simply pointing out the Arabs have been no better, maybe even worse.
You expect anyone to believe that? Then why didn't they let the Palestinians return before they were refugees long enough to have grandchildren? And why shouldn't Palestinians be allowed to have their grandchildren grow up with them just like the Jews of Israel do?Israel has said time and again as part of a negotiation those who were dissposssed will be permitted to return or compensated. The issue is not the real refugees it is the children and grandchildren etc.
So, in your view, treating Palestinian refugees like human beings, providing them with a way to make a living, integrating them into society, that's ethnic cleansing.You only suggest carrying out the final step of Israel's ethnic cleansing.
Give your head a shake.
What is being done to them right now by Arabs is abominable. They're not treated like human beings, they're treated like animals. Why? Because those Arabs hate Jews so intensely that they don't care whether or not they fuck the Palestinians over completely, so long as it serves the greater ends of their hatred.
As for what could be done-- it's a pretty tricky problem, but I think some sort of collective negotiation involving the property stolen from Jews by Arabs, and from Palestinians by Jews, collectively if you put it all in the pot, you could probably work out a deal that makes everyone happy, so that everyone gets something of equal value to what was taken from them. Assuming everyone is WILLING to be made happy, that is.
Then I'm supposing that you support Israel letting them return to their homes immediately to stop this horrid treatment. What do you propose to do to force Israel to stop this racist policy and atone for what they have done to these Palestinians?So, in your view, treating Palestinian refugees like human beings, providing them with a way to make a living, integrating them into society, that's ethnic cleansing.
Give your head a shake.
What is being done to them right now by Arabs is abominable. They're not treated like human beings, they're treated like animals. Why? Because those Arabs hate Jews so intensely that they don't care whether or not they fuck the Palestinians over completely, so long as it serves the greater ends of their hatred.
Take the phrase "Arabs" out of your equation. Palestinians have nothing whatever to do with real or imagined injustices in any other country. Whatever property the Israeli government has seized from Palestinians should be returned to them. Let's remember, that property goes far beyond property and includes, stocks, personal effects, art, etc.As for what could be done-- it's a pretty tricky problem, but I think some sort of collective negotiation involving the property stolen from Jews by Arabs, and from Palestinians by Jews, collectively if you put it all in the pot, you could probably work out a deal that makes everyone happy, so that everyone gets something of equal value to what was taken from them. Assuming everyone is WILLING to be made happy, that is.
Israel has always talked about compensating Palestinians. That has never been the issue. The issue has been the Palestinians demand that there be a right of return for the children and grandchildren etc. of the original Palestinians who may have left or fled or whatever.Take the phrase "Arabs" out of your equation. Palestinians have nothing whatever to do with real or imagined injustices in any other country. Whatever property the Israeli government has seized from Palestinians should be returned to them. Let's remember, that property goes far beyond and includes, stocks, personal effects, art, etc.
It's good that you have acknowledged it is in fact horrid treatment.Then I'm supposing that you support Israel letting them return to their homes immediately to stop this horrid treatment.
The multi-way Arab assault on Israel and the widespread Arab persecution of Jews has everything to do with the plight of Palestinians. The issues can't be separated.Take the phrase "Arabs" out of your equation. Palestinians have nothing whatever to do with real or imagined injustices in any other country. Whatever property the Israeli government has seized from Palestinians should be returned to them. Let's remember, that property goes far beyond property and includes, stocks, personal effects, art, etc.
Don't get too excited. I was just following your argument.It's good that you have acknowledged it is in fact horrid treatment.
That's sheer nonsense. It's like saying the Burmese owe China because of the injustices of the Japanese due to the fact that they are all Asian. You are using a primitive and racist argument.The multi-way Arab assault on Israel and the widespread Arab persecution of Jews has everything to do with the plight of Palestinians. The issues can't be separated.
Why shouldn't they be able to. If Jews can have grandchildren with them, why can't Palestinians? If Jews who have never spent a day within 5,000 miles of Israel can get automatic citizenship, including all of their grandchildren, why can't the original inhabitants?Israel has always talked about compensating Palestinians. That has never been the issue. The issue has been the Palestinians demand that there be a right of return for the children and grandchildren etc. of the original Palestinians who may have left or fled or whatever.
Diversity is good. Are you troubled by our equality laws?
You are not understanding the concept of sovereignty. Israel has a right to make its own immigration laws. You don't.Why shouldn't they be able to. If Jews can have grandchildren with them, why can't Palestinians? If Jews who have never spent a day within 5,000 miles of Israel can get automatic citizenship, including all of their grandchildren, why can't the original inhabitants?
Diversity is good. Are you troubled by our equality laws?
I think everyone is aware of Israel's racist laws. Those are racist laws designed to prevent the return of expelled citizens because of their religion. It's institutionalized racism.You are not understanding the concept of sovereignty. Israel has a right to make its own immigration laws. You don't.
South Africa also had laws that enforced Apartheid. Making it a law does not make any less racist or illegal.
You can choose peace or you can choose ethnic supremacy. South Africa made the choice for peace. When will Israel?
Catholics, Hindus, protestants etc. do not have the right of return to Israel. Try again.I think everyone is aware of Israel's racist laws. Those are racist laws designed to prevent the return of expelled citizens because of their religion. It's institutionalized racism.
South Africa also had laws that enforced Apartheid. Making it a law does not make any less racist or illegal.
You can choose peace or you can choose ethnic supremacy. South Africa made the choice for peace. When will Israel?
Practically and pragmatically speaking any resolution to the conflict is going to have to satisfy all sides, and all those different events are fundamentally related.That's sheer nonsense. It's like saying the Burmese owe China because of the injustices of the Japanese due to the fact that they are all Asian. You are using a primitive and racist argument.
