Porsche crash

[GameBoy27]

Excellent points GameBoy.

I believe you are spot on in saying that a large measure of this is the arrogance of power, I'm a very successful, very wealthy "type A" person who has driven cars since I was 16, why should I bother to learn from an expert. It is all about merely going fast as Hell.

100% ^^^ and then they crash.

Although, occasionally a guy shows up in his supercar and actually listens to what I'm telling him. It's quite refreshing. These guys end up turning the most consistent lap times. I teach them to be precise with breaking points, turn in, apex, the line etc. The idea isn't to go as fast as you can right off the bat. Those are the ones who end up stuffing it in a wall.

Once you learn the fundamentals and you're consistent, the speed comes naturally. If you're driving over your head, you're always a step behind, you won't learn anything and you'll likely crash. The drivers who turn the quickest times often look slower than everyone else, because their smooth.

Thankfully I don't have to teach how to heel and toe anymore, at least not very often. Mind you, the ones who've mastered the art typically know what they're doing on the track.

Examples of more money than ability. http://www.wreckedexotics.com/latest-crashes

 

[JohnHenry]

Its heal and tow isn't it.

 

[GameBoy27]

Its heal and tow isn't it.

No, it's called heel and toe as in the parts of your foot. It's a technique used to match revs while downshifting under braking. You brake with the ball of your right foot while blipping the throttle with your heel (or side of your foot) to match revs when you release the clutch. This prevents locking up the wheels when downshifting.

Higher end cars with standard transmissions (or ones equipped with paddle shifters) automatically blip the throttle for you. This takes the fun (and skill) out of the equation and is somewhat of a lost art in my opinion. But you can't slow down technology.

Many types of racecars still require you to heel and toe. Left hand steering the car, right hand shifting gears, left foot operating the clutch, right foot braking, blipping and controlling the throttle. It's a lot of fun once you've mastered it. I'll post a video when I find a good one.

 

[JohnHenry]

Sorry, I was playing word games with you.
Heal - to make better.
Heel - the end of your foot that doesn't have toes.

 

[abv]

http://youtu.be/96ekbvjyr0g

Here's a video showing the technique.

 

[GameBoy27]

Sorry, I was playing word games with you.
Heal - to make better.
Heel - the end of your foot that doesn't have toes.

Oh FFS, I can't believe it. I'm such an idiot. The sad part is I do know the difference. I can't even blame it on auto correct. lol

http://youtu.be/96ekbvjyr0g

Here's a video showing the technique.

Nice example by one of the greatest of all time abv.

I love this example of heel and toe by Walter Röhrl. He adds another dimension by simultaneous left foot braking and applying throttle to keep the large turbo in the Audi spooled up. It's magical footwork by one of the best. Spectators are freakin' nuts!!!

 

[GPIDEAL]

No, it's called heel and toe as in the parts of your foot. It's a technique used to match revs while downshifting under braking. You brake with the ball of your right foot while blipping the throttle with your heel (or side of your foot) to match revs when you release the clutch. This prevents locking up the wheels when downshifting.

Higher end cars with standard transmissions (or ones equipped with paddle shifters) automatically blip the throttle for you. This takes the fun (and skill) out of the equation and is somewhat of a lost art in my opinion. But you can't slow down technology.

Many types of racecars still require you to heel and toe. Left hand steering the car, right hand shifting gears, left foot operating the clutch, right foot braking, blipping and controlling the throttle. It's a lot of fun once you've mastered it. I'll post a video when I find a good one.

Please post the video cuz I'm not quite following.

My friend has done well for himself and went to racing school to take his Porsche to the track, so he must know about this stuff. He did mention that he would switch off ABS or some other control, so that he could feel the car on the track more and have greater, human control over the car.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Oh FFS, I can't believe it. I'm such an idiot. The sad part is I do know the difference. I can't even blame it on auto correct. lol



Nice example by one of the greatest of all time abv.

I love this example of heel and toe by Walter Röhrl. He adds another dimension by simultaneous left foot braking and applying throttle to keep the large turbo in the Audi spooled up. It's magical footwork by one of the best. Spectators are freakin' nuts!!!

More footwork here than on a regular, oval, paved track no?

I see why they have those racing shoes now.

You have to work out and be in shape to do this for hours.

 

[GameBoy27]

Please post the video cuz I'm not quite following.

My friend has done well for himself and went to racing school to take his Porsche to the track, so he must know about this stuff. He did mention that he would switch off ABS or some other control, so that he could feel the car on the track more and have greater, human control over the car.

This video abv posted clearly demonstrates heel and toe shifting.

Your friend is correct in that advanced drivers prefer to turn off traction and stability control when lapping at a race track. Most cars won't let you turn off the ABS but tuner shops can add a switch allowing so.

Traction control is very sensitive and will momentarily kill the power to avoid any wheelspin. Likewise, stability control will automatically apply the brakes to certain wheels depending upon the attitude of the car to prevent it getting out of shape.

These are good safety features for the average driver, especially with the amount of grip these cars can generate and the cornering speeds they can achieve. Although no amount of technology will prevent you from crashing, but if you're lucky it just may save your ass.

Drivers with advanced car control skill turn these off as they will prevent you from approaching the limits of adhesion thus increasing lap times.

I recommend your friend leave the ABS on if he's lapping in the rain.

More footwork here than on a regular, oval, paved track no?

Yes, a lot more. Remember that rally car video was from a long time ago and that Audi had a significant amount of turbo lag. He had to keep the turbo spinning as best he could by staying on the throttle while braking. Otherwise the car would tend to bog when getting back on the throttle slowing him down.

I see why they have those racing shoes now.

They're snug fitting, no excess material and have very thin soles so you can feel the pedals through the shoes.

You have to work out and be in shape to do this for hours.

People have no idea how physically demanding it is. It's highly stressful, requiring intense concentration not to mention you're wearing fire resistant long underwear, a three layer suit, gloves, balaclava and a helmet.

Couple that with cockpit temperatures ranging from 140 F to 160 F (60 C to 71 C) and you can see why you need to be in shape. Talking about driving a proper race car that is.

The heart rate of a Formula driver averages 170 bpm for an hour and a half, with peaks of 190-200. This is higher than most any sport.

 

[abv]

There's also the left foot braking. Right foot on the gas pedal. Don't use the clutch technique.
I'll look for a video of that.

 

[GameBoy27]

There's also the left foot braking. Right foot on the gas pedal. Don't use the clutch technique.
I'll look for a video of that.

Left foot braking is quite common in oval racing. I know some drivers or road courses use the technique, but I'm not convinced with all things being equal that it's necessarily faster.

 

[abv]

http://youtu.be/Ns4Ly6n6vvs

There's also a good one with Colin McCrae.
Electronic engine management makes it easier.
The video I posted is a stock car without that.

 

[spaman]

love that Senna vid. Fuck he was an amazing driver

 

[saxon]

If this vehicle is so unsafe to drive then why is it even allowed on the road? Driver error is not the responsibility of Porche.

 

[GameBoy27]

love that Senna vid. Fuck he was an amazing driver

I saw him in Montreal, driving the JPS Lotus, in the rain. The memory of that gives me goose bumps to this day.

If this vehicle is so unsafe to drive then why is it even allowed on the road? Driver error is not the responsibility of Porche.

I know, it's like saying a Toyota Echo is unsafe because it understeers off a turn into the guardrail at 70 km/h whereas a BMW M4 can round the same corner at 110 km/h without incident.

 

[abv]

Bottom line is Roger Rodas killed Paul Walker.
He also destroyed a very nice car.

 

[GameBoy27]

Bottom line is Roger Rodas killed Paul Walker.
He also destroyed a very nice car.

Agreed... You should never push a car to the limit on the street, especially a supercar. Approaching the limit in one of those means you're going really fast and leaves no room for error. That's what race tracks are for.

 

[GPIDEAL]

This video abv posted clearly demonstrates heel and toe shifting.

Your friend is correct in that advanced drivers prefer to turn off traction and stability control when lapping at a race track. Most cars won't let you turn off the ABS but tuner shops can add a switch allowing so.

Traction control is very sensitive and will momentarily kill the power to avoid any wheelspin. Likewise, stability control will automatically apply the brakes to certain wheels depending upon the attitude of the car to prevent it getting out of shape.

These are good safety features for the average driver, especially with the amount of grip these cars can generate and the cornering speeds they can achieve. Although no amount of technology will prevent you from crashing, but if you're lucky it just may save your ass.

Drivers with advanced car control skill turn these off as they will prevent you from approaching the limits of adhesion thus increasing lap times.

I recommend your friend leave the ABS on if he's lapping in the rain.



Yes, a lot more. Remember that rally car video was from a long time ago and that Audi had a significant amount of turbo lag. He had to keep the turbo spinning as best he could by staying on the throttle while braking. Otherwise the car would tend to bog when getting back on the throttle slowing him down.



They're snug fitting, no excess material and have very thin soles so you can feel the pedals through the shoes.



People have no idea how physically demanding it is. It's highly stressful, requiring intense concentration not to mention you're wearing fire resistant long underwear, a three layer suit, gloves, balaclava and a helmet.

Couple that with cockpit temperatures ranging from 140 F to 160 F (60 C to 71 C) and you can see why you need to be in shape. Talking about driving a proper race car that is.

The heart rate of a Formula driver averages 170 bpm for an hour and a half, with peaks of 190-200. This is higher than most any sport.

Son of a fucking bitch. Senna driving that Honda NSX? with his bloody loafers on and no helmet! He made that engine sing! Perhaps the greatest racing driver of all time? Better than Schumacher? I've heard some guys would tear up watching Gilles Villeneuve race his Ferrari against Nigel? because of his aggression, but Senna also wanted to be the fastest. Sorry, but I had to digress.


All your comments are spot on. Yes, traction and stability control. I believe he was referring to a factory switch, so it might not have been ABS, but I though it was because he told me this years ago, when T & S control might not have been around yet, but ABS was?

These drivers are totally connected to the engine and transmission to help them achieve the greatest speed and acceleration when needed.

He would only switch it off on the race track.

(Many years ago as a teenager, my mom's cousin would take me to Mosport. I've only been once to the Molson Indy but had a paddock pass, and that was years later. Would see Michael Andretti buzzing around in his race suit on a mini-bike. Saw 90210 star Jason Priestley race too in one of the lesser-classes. Got his autograph on the program book, but not to see him (my friend's brother was a mechanic in his team). That was an aside, not the real spectacle which were the female fans. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE BABES THERE. One gal was a stripper from Diamonds. It was funny talking to her. Another guy asked her if she did extras lol! She was a sport.)

 

[GPIDEAL]

Bottom line is Roger Rodas killed Paul Walker.
He also destroyed a very nice car.

Right. Walker raced too. You'd think he would have told his friend to slow down or take it easy, or maybe he spoke to soon before shit happened?

 

[GPIDEAL]

I saw him in Montreal, driving the JPS Lotus, in the rain. The memory of that gives me goose bumps to this day.



I know, it's like saying a Toyota Echo is unsafe because it understeers off a turn into the guardrail at 70 km/h whereas a BMW M4 can round the same corner at 110 km/h without incident.

He gave you goosebumps eh? Yeah, it's like I've heard other racing enthusiasts (including motorcyclists who also like car racing) say the wells of their eyes would fill when they saw these drivers perform.