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[frasier]

I see the 2nd Amendment is similar to a municipal law regulating horse drawn carriages.

Both were necessary for their time and served their purpose. Now however, they're archaic and make no sense in today's reality.

Todays reality?
I think it is quiet possible that a group of people will try to limit the freedom of others and it would be necessary to take up arms again.
The notion of an armed rebellion was viewed obsurd by the the British rulers, and never really was taken serious, much like some of the comments today.

 

[frasier]

That's the problem, Frasier. That's the problem.
I'm not against owning a weapon [guns are on battleships].
But, the owners should be trained how to use them.
Recall when you were in the military. The armory
is where the weapons were stored and secured.
Not under some matress or in some nitestand.
Weapons are inherantly dangerous. Without
proper safeguards terrible things can happen.

There'd be far fewer murders if only knives and
swords were used. That way, the warm blood
of the victim would smear the assailant.

If you want to own a weapon you should be allowed to, but you have to demonstrate the ability and responsibility to handle one.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Todays reality?

Yes, today's reality. The world has changed in the past 200 years. At least it has for some of us.

I think it is quiet possible that a group of people will try to limit the freedom of others and it would be necessary to take up arms again.

Yet, you have no problem with the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

The notion of an armed rebellion was viewed obsurd by the the British rulers, and never really was taken serious, much like some of the comments today.

I doubt that very much. Particularly since the concept of building an armed citizen militia was a British one. Besides, the 2nd Ammendment came along after the rebellion. It was designed to protect the new state, not create it.

 

[LancsLad]

Yes, today's reality. The world has changed in the past 200 years. At least it has for some of us.



Yet, you have no problem with the suspension of Habeas Corpus.




I doubt that very much. Particularly since the concept of building an armed citizen militia was a British one. Besides, the 2nd Ammendment came along after the rebellion. It was designed to protect the new state, not create it.

Can't recall the name of the English King but he had decreed that all males in the land be proficient in the use of the longbow. Not the same as rifles and handguns but the same concept.

that inherent skillset of the citizenry was put to good use doing a number on froggy at Agincourt and Crecy.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Can't recall the name of the English King but he had decreed that all males in the land be proficient in the use of the longbow. Not the same as rifles and handguns but the same concept.

that inherent skillset of the citizenry was put to good use doing a number on froggy at Agincourt and Crecy.

I think it was King Henry II ?????????

The real question is why is a 400 year old strategy still held so dear by some.

 

[frasier]

Yes, today's reality. The world has changed in the past 200 years. At least it has for some of us.

Oh..really, maybe on the surface. Certain human traits haven't cahnged, despite out technological advancements.
There will be always a group of humans that want to dominate the other for whatever reason. Greed, money and religion are just a few. Maybe we will evolve some day beyond that, but we haven't yet.

Yet, you have no problem with the suspension of Habeas Corpus.

What makes you think that?

I doubt that very much. Particularly since the concept of building an armed citizen militia was a British one. Besides, the 2nd Ammendment came along after the rebellion. It was designed to protect the new state, not create it

if the Brits would have taken the armed rebellion serious, we still would be british subjects today.

 

[frasier]

Like I previously posted, what are
you going to do against a Marine platoon, or a swat team
for that matter.

ask the highly trained british army about that? remember according to them we were a bunch of farmers with pitch forks..or look at what Tito did to the great German army..or what happened to Russia in Afghanistan..or what happened to the US in Vietnam..or today in Iraq?
Military advanced training and technology doesn't guarantee victory, especially in a guerilla war and especially when you have a strong cause to fight for.

Why are some polticians so hellbend getting th gun out of my hand?..mmm makes me wonder?

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

Oh..really, maybe on the surface. Certain human traits haven't cahnged, despite out technological advancements.
There will be always a group of humans that want to dominate the other for whatever reason. Greed, money and religion are just a few. Maybe we will evolve some day beyond that, but we haven't yet.

Your greatest potential for destruction is within your own government. Do you honestly believe the 2nd Amendment offers you protection from that? How many Smart Bombs do you have in your closet? How many aircraft carriers do you have docked at the cottage?

Without them, it won't be much of a fight.

What makes you think that?

I thought you expressed this in the "Arar" thread a couple months ago. If not, I apologize.

if the Brits would have taken the armed rebellion serious, we still would be british subjects today.

Maybe, but that still has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment.

 

[frasier]

Are you going to join the Aryian Brotherhood
or some other right-wing anarchist group?

You should know better thant that.....I never have and never will support anything these groups are stand for.
BUT there is always a little bit of truth, even in the biggest lie...

 

[frasier]

Your greatest potential for destruction is within your own government.

..that's why it is even more important to keep yourself armed...when goverment becomes to detached from it's people sometimes a bloody revolution is needed.....just the threat of this will keep things honest.

 

[LancsLad]

We already fought one civil war
- very, very bloody.

We don't do that anymore. We
hire mercenaries and contractors
for that dirty work.

You still have a bit of Old Europe
in your blood.

The examples given are occupying
forces fighting the locals.

Could your scenario happen in England,
France, Germany, Italy today?

Are you going to join the Aryian Brotherhood
or some other right-wing anarchist group?

Please Don, we are not all anarchists.



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[lookingforitallthetime]

..that's why it is even more important to keep yourself armed...when goverment becomes to detached from it's people sometimes a bloody revolution is needed.....just the threat of this will keep things honest.

How well do you suppose your .44 magnum will perform against the worlds most advanced military?

Let's be clear, I'm talking about gun regulation not elimination. If you're truly concerned about the erosion of your rights, you should be paying more attention to the Patriot Act than gun regulation.

 

[papasmerf]

How well do you suppose your .44 magnum will perform against the worlds most advanced military?

Let's be clear, I'm talking about gun regulation not elimination. If you're truly concerned about the erosion of your rights, you should be paying more attention to the Patriot Act than gun regulation.

In the scheme of things how would stronger regulations keep gun out of the hands of criminals?

 

[papasmerf]

Are we dealing with a rational concern
or an irrational fear factor?

there is an irrational thought that criminals would not be able to get guns if they were better regulated. I would rather the laws we have be enforced and liberal judges be replaced.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

In the scheme of things how would stronger regulations keep gun out of the hands of criminals?

Stronger regulation is the only way it can happen. Doing nothing certainly won't help.

 

[papasmerf]

Stronger regulation is the only way it can happen. Doing nothing certainly won't help.

You might be sprised that most guns on te street are not purchased by the gunmen at te local gun shops. I however suggest to you that the laws already on the book be enforced and prision terms be manditory and stiff, you know scrap liberal justice and prisions.

 

[lookingforitallthetime]

You might be sprised that most guns on te street are not purchased by the gunmen at te local gun shops. I however suggest to you that the laws already on the book be enforced and prision terms be manditory and stiff, you know scrap liberal justice and prisions.

If sentencing is too lenient that needs to be addressed. All the same, deterrents alone won't solve the problem either.

 

[papasmerf]

If sentencing is too lenient that needs to be addressed. All the same, deterrents alone won't solve the problem either.

How do you propose to get a count of the guns on the streets and collect them?

 

[papasmerf]

You'll have to give me some reference to this
perceived 'liberal judiciary' opinion.

NYS.

We have 4 time loosers out on the streets and still in the game.

 

[papasmerf]

That's not a reference. That's an opinion.
I have no personal knowledge about New York
State but I do know crime was reduced in
NY, NY. I presume most of their judges
are Dems.

I don't understand your opinion that liberals
[however you define that term] are less
concerned about security and safety than
conservatives.

Our prisons don't have space for the convicts.

Don

Too tired tonite to dive into cases and judges.

As for over-crowding I say what they heck.......pull the tv out of the cell and add a bunk.