Prisoner exchange

[fuji]

You were lying when you said it was a hotel filled with guests. No hotel guests were killed. The casualties were all military and government, support staff serving the military and government, and people attending there on government business.

Again: If a military general headquarters is not a legitimate target to attack, then what is???

 

[diehard]

This is in fact why Hamas split from the PLO and started the Intefada--they rejected absolutely the concept of peace with Jews.

I thought the Intifada began as a peaceful (or not so violent) protest against Israeli occupation and oppression in the West Bank.

It caught the IDF off guard because they couldn't shoot protesters anymore, who had only rocks in their hands.

 

[fuji]

I thought the Intifada began as a peaceful (or not so violent) protest against Israeli occupation and oppression in the West Bank.

It caught the IDF off guard because they couldn't shoot protesters anymore, who had only rocks in their hands.

I'm not sure why you would consider rock throwing "not so violent". Have you been hit by rocks? They do stone people to death over there.

Hamas broke with the PLO/Fatah over the issue of recognition of, and peace with Israel. For example, Hamas bombed the Netanya Park Hotel explicitly stating their reason for doing so was to derail the peace talks.

 

[groggy]

You were lying when you said it was a hotel filled with guests. No hotel guests were killed. The casualties were all military and government, support staff serving the military and government, and people attending there on government business.

Again: If a military general headquarters is not a legitimate target to attack, then what is???

Go ahead, back the bombing as much as you like.
I'll just continue to refer to it as terrorism, as the rest of the world does.
It just plants you even more firmly on the side of terrorism.

 

[fuji]

So you don't care that you were proven wrong on the facts, you're just going to reiterate your point, even though you have no reasons.

You really are a propaganda clown and you are increasingly divorced from reality.

 

[groggy]

I presented opinions from three credited sources from a basic wiki search, which goes to show how easy it would be to provide more.
You, as usual have provided only your opinion.
You lost this argument.

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism.

 

[fuji]

So you don't care that you are completely wrong on the facts, you are completely dishonest, and happy to go on lying.

-- No hotel guests were killed in the bombing
-- The "hotel" was in fact a general military headquarters

Just keep on lying Groggy. I think in your heart you know that you are completely full of shit and that you have nothing but hate to justify your statements. You are completely disconnected from reality at this point--and you don't seem to care.

 

[groggy]

Just keep on lying Groggy. I think in your heart you know that you are completely full of shit and that you have nothing but hate to justify your statements. You are completely disconnected from reality at this point--and you don't seem to care.

I was lying?
I quoted wiki.
How is that lying?

And speaking of hate, can you tone yours down a bit, the language is a bit tiring.

 

[fuji]

You said the hotel was full of guests. You were lying. It was not full of guests. It was the general headquarters of the British Military, and the offices of the British Mandate of Palestine.

There weren't any hotel guests there it was a pure military/government target. The five civilians who were killed were attending there on government business, at the government office there.

You lied about that. You want to mislead people by taking advantage of the fact the building has the word "hotel" in its name to pretend that it is something like bombing the Netanya Park Hotel--a hotel that really was full of guests.

 

[groggy]

The hotel was still functioning as a hotel at the time of the bombing.
Britain still calls the bombing an act of terrorism, as they said in 2006 in response to Israel celebrating this act of terrorism:

"We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated."

Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism

 

[fuji]

The hotel was still functioning as a hotel at the time of the bombing.

Not the section that was bombed. It was being used as a military headquarters and government office.

You tried to mislead people and you were caught in the act. Why not admit you were wrong, rather than continuing to lie?

 

[groggy]

Not the section that was bombed. It was being used as a military headquarters and government office.

You tried to mislead people and you were caught in the act. Why not admit you were wrong, rather than continuing to lie?

I'm not lying, I've only quoted wiki.
You however, just keep supporting the bombing of operating hotels and see what moral group that puts you in.

 

[fuji]

Groggy when you first quoted it you may have been ignorant of the fact that it was in fact a government/military facility, I know you have been fed a lot of propaganda from Palestinians sites, and you may simply have been misled about it yourself, but now that you know it was government/military, and not a hotel full of civilians, you ought to retract your claim. Failing to retract it, now that you know the truth, puts you firmly into the "liar" camp.

I do not think that an attack on a government/military facility is terrorism. For the same reason I do not think the attack on the USS Cole was terrorism: It was a military target. Criminal--perhaps. Terrorist--no.

 

[groggy]

And you probably also support the attack on the USS liberty, as well as anything else Israel attacks.
I'll just keep quoting wiki for you, keep on saying how much you really are proud of Israel bombing hotels.

Britain, 2006:

"We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated."

 

[basketcase]

I thought the Intifada began as a peaceful ...

If you are talking the first intifada, The IDF killed 1100 Palestinians, the Palestinians killed 164 Israelis and over 1000 alleged collaborators. It was sparked by a stabbing of an Israeli and a traffic accident that Palestinians claimed was in revenge followed by riots.

The second intifada had 5500 Palestinians and 1100 Israelis killed, again started with riots of stone throwing because a Jew dared to visit Judaism's holiest site (which happens to also be Islam's third).

Neither one sounds particularly non-violent to me.

 

[basketcase]

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Israel is an apartheid state, built on ethnic cleansing and Jewish terrorism

Grog is a clown only left with catch phrases after all his attempted arguments have been destroyed.

 

[basketcase]

Since grog accepts wiki as truth, how about this.

In a 2004 survey by Sammy Smooha of the University of Haifa Jewish-Arab Center, 84.9% of Israeli Arabs stated that Israel has a right to exist as an independent state, and 70% that it has a right to exist as a democratic, Jewish state.[70][236] A Truman Institute survey from 2005 found that 63% of the Arab citizens accepted the principle that Israel is the state of the Jewish people.[70][237]
...
An Israeli Democracy Institute (IDI) poll in 2007 showed that 75% of "Israeli Arabs would support a constitution that maintained Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state while guaranteeing equal rights for minorities, while 23% said they would oppose such a definition."[239] Another survey that year showed that 62% of Israel's Arabs would prefer to remain Israeli citizens rather than become citizens of a future Palestinian state. The figure rose in a 2008 poll: 77% would rather live in Israel as Israeli citizens than in any other country in the world.[240][241]

Those stats don't seem to support the apartheid thesis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Surveys_and_Polls

 

[fuji]

I'll just keep quoting wiki for you, keep on saying how much you really are proud of Israel bombing hotels.

You are too hateful and too stupid to admit you were wrong. It would be nice if you would at least acknowledge that it was operating as a government/military facility and recognize that most definitions of terrorism wouldn't call that terrorism. Criminal--may well be. Terrorist--no, only according to very few watered down definitions of "terrorism". Again, I don't think the attack on the USS Cole was terrorism either, for the same reason. Or more relevantly, I don't think that the kidnapping of Gilad Shalit was terrorism either--he was an on duty soldier. (His detention without access to the ICRC was criminal, on the other hand.)

If you want to talk about hotel bombings, I notice you run away whenever I mention this one:

Netanya Park Hotel.

 

[groggy]

You are too hateful and too stupid to admit you were wrong.

Again, I've been quoting wikipedia and British politicians.
Take up your issues with them, and keep on glorifying terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Mindlessly quoting without any comprehension...