Pure evil

[Aardvark154]

How anyone who claims to believe in the God of Abraham (as Jews, Christians and Moslems do) can deliberately murder children in order to sow chaos in an attempt to ensure that stability does not prevail in Iraq I can't fathom. Politically correct or not, I can’t help but feel that people who willingly commit such atrocities are in league with Satan/Iblis rather than God.

Story in The Times (London) of “gangs” in Bagdad deliberately machine gunning children.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article1567102.ece

 

[xdog]

When I first started reading your post, I thought you were referring to the American invasion.

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[ArcticWolf]

What Iraq needs now is a leader who can rule with an iron fist to ensure stability. oh wait ... they hung him ... nevermind. Hopefully todays iraqi president dosn't have to resort to using american made & supplied chemicals to dump on the "insurgents" because history has proven that that is bad. It's far better to have the Americans continue with the slaughter of the hundreds (of thousands).

 

[Aardvark154]

When I first started reading your post, I thought you were referring to the American invasion.

So it is your belief that it is the policy of the Armed Forces of Great Britain and the United States to deliberately kill children with malice of forethought? Does this apply to the Canadian Armed Forces as well?

 

[Aardvark154]

What Iraq needs now is a leader who can rule with an iron fist to ensure stability. oh wait ... they hung him ... nevermind. Hopefully todays iraqi president dosn't have to resort to using american made & supplied chemicals to dump on the "insurgents" because history has proven that that is bad. It's far better to have the Americans continue with the slaughter of the hundreds (of thousands).

Typical of the way things go here in the Politics section of TERB. Do you really believe that the Armed Forces of the U.S. and Great Britain are deliberately and without provocation machine gunning children?

 

[blackdog]

There is no satan, god, allah or whatever. Its just a bunch of fucked up people running around killing eachother in the name what ever god they happened to be brainwashed with. The less god there is the better off the world will be.

 

[xdog]

So it is your belief that it is the policy of the Armed Forces of Great Britain and the United States to deliberately kill children with malice of forethought? Does this apply to the Canadian Armed Forces as well?

Nope. I do not believe that most soldiers would kill innocent people on purpose. I do believe that this invasion of Iran, er I mean Iraq is pure imperilism. Would the west be concerned about democracy in Iraq if there was no oil? The us has no problem with the lack of democracy in Pakistan or china or Saudi Arabia.


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[ArcticWolf]

Typical of the way things go here in the Politics section of TERB. Do you really believe that the Armed Forces of the U.S. and Great Britain are deliberately and without provocation machine gunning children?

Deliberately machine gunning children ... no, because most soldiers, although they are there to fight, many still hold onto a certain moral ethic, so looking down a barrel of a gun & taking out a child isn't usually a thought. What I refer to is the cluster bombing, the use of MK-77 bombs, & large yeild explosives (MOAB) that take out large areas without discrimination.

One of the biggest problems I have with this war, is the continued double standard. Saddam was hung for chemical attacks done to Iraqi's in 80's, that the US, supplied, knew about & didn't have a problem with, until they needed to justify an invasion over 2 decades later. The US on the other hand, has repeatedly used devices like the MK-77 bomb (White Phosphorus) which burns everything in sight. So I guess, if you can't see what your killing, it's alright.

 

[danmand]

One of the biggest problems I have with this war, is the continued double standard. Saddam was hung for chemical attacks done to Iraqi's in 80's, that the US, supplied, knew about & didn't have a problem with, until they needed to justify an invasion over 2 decades later. The US on the other hand, has repeatedly used devices like the MK-77 bomb (White Phosphorus) which burns everything in sight. So I guess, if you can't see what your killing, it's alright.

I thought white phosphorous was disallowed under the Geneva convention.

 

[TOVisitor]

So it is your belief that it is the policy of the Armed Forces of Great Britain and the United States to deliberately kill children with malice of forethought? Does this apply to the Canadian Armed Forces as well?

Does Lieutenant William Calley ring any bells?

Calley was charged on September 5, 1969, with six specifications of premeditated murder for the death of 109 Vietnamese civilians near the village of My Lai, at a hamlet called Song My, more commonly called My Lai in the U.S. press. In this well documented incident, 500 villagers, mostly women, children, infants and elderly, were assembled and then shot by soldiers of Charlie Company, Americal Division. Some women who survived were gang raped by U.S. soldiers instead of being summarily executed.

Calley's trial started on November 17, 1970, and resulted in a conviction on March 29, 1971 of premeditated murder of 22 civilians for his role in the massacre. On March 31, 1971, he was sentenced to life in prison. Testimony revealed that Calley had ordered the men of 1st Platoon, C Company, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry of the 23rd Infantry Division (Americal) to shoot everyone in the village. Calley claimed that he was following the orders of his immediate superior, Captain Ernest Medina. Whether or not this order was actually given is disputed; Medina was later acquitted of all charges relating to the incident at a separate trial.

No, it's not a deliberate policy, but war is hell and those who engage in it can be demons.

Unfortunately, the demons can be on their side or on yours.

 

[TOVisitor]

I thought white phosphorous was disallowed under the Geneva convention.

Yes, it is dan.

It's use is in dispute.

Guess what Rummy said about it.

 

[ArcticWolf]

It is prohibited, but the US hasn't signed. It falls under the (do as we say, not as we do) ruling.

 

[Aardvark154]

Does Lieutenant William Calley ring any bells?

You bet your expletive deleted. Do you recall the name of W.O. Hugh C. Thompson, Jr.?

No, it's not a deliberate policy, but war is hell and those who engage in it can be demons.

Unfortunately, the demons can be on their side or on yours.

You answer your own question.

I find it particularly horrific that someone would deliberately machine gun children.

We can argue back and forth as seems to happen here, but there is a particular brutality, and to call it by its real name evil, to a person who can kill a child while looking them in the eyes.

These terrorists aren’t fighting the Iraqi Army, or members of rival terrorist militias, or the U.S. or British military they are murdering children deliberately and with malice of forethought, while looking them in the eye.

How do you describe someone who deliberately does such a thing other than as evil.

 

[Aardvark154]

It is prohibited, but the US hasn't signed.

Yes and no. The use of incendiary weapons against civilians or in civilian areas is prohibited by Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons. However, their use against military targets outside civilian areas is not banned.

There is also dispute as to whether white phosphorus should be considered a chemical weapon and thus be outlawed under the Chemical Weapons Convention. It is not at present so considered.

In either event as stated, the U.S. is not a signatory of either of these conventions.

 

[Cheeta]

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done?"
God says, "Out on Highway 61."

 

[Elmer Stud]

There is no satan, god, allah or whatever. Its just a bunch of fucked up people running around killing eachother in the name what ever god they happened to be brainwashed with. The less god there is the better off the world will be.

You can't blame God for what goes on in the world. It's mans twist on religion that kills the millions and destroys the earth.