Putin's Russia & Ukraine updates

oil&gas

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Is Iraq better with or without Saddam?
A 'yes' answer would justify the U.S. invasion to take
out Saddam, I suppose.


Fast forward to 2023 and Russia to get back to the subject of this thread. Would Russia be better with or without Putin?
I do not know if Russia will be better off but I suspect India, China, Saudi, Iran
and various other countries outside the western world don't mind having Putin
around after the Ukraine war ends.
 

PeteOsborne

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Is Iraq better with or without Saddam?

Fast forward to 2023 and Russia to get back to the subject of this thread. Would Russia be better with or without Putin?
That should have been left up to the citizens of Iraq.
Ultimately, again, that is for the people of Russia to decide, also, who are the alternatives?
 

DinkleMouse

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Is Iraq better with or without Saddam?

Fast forward to 2023 and Russia to get back to the subject of this thread. Would Russia be better with or without Putin?
It was wrong of the US to go to Iraq. But in case you didn't notice, no one invaded Russia so these are very different scenarios. You're going to pull a muscle with this level of mental gymnastics if you keep it up.

Russia might be better without Putin though. Depends who the successor is. I'd argue they can't really do that much worse, but I say that as someone that's been to Russia a few times and had seen the conditions there.
 

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Some in right-wing media have claimed that the U.S. government had orchestrated the mutiny, potentially in order to serve a warmongering agenda. This commentary is in line with right-wing media’s tendency to blame anybody but Putin for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Others on the right have posited that the rebellion served a desired media narrative in order to distract from alleged corruption by President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. And in an even deeper journey into the fevered imagination, some posit that the White House arranged the rebellion for that specific purpose.
This particular angle stems from the right-wing media narrative that took hold last week regarding a message Hunter Biden reportedly sent to a Chinese business associate in July 2017 in which he demanded the completion of a business deal while claiming that his father was with him. (This narrative falls apart for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that Joe Biden did not hold any public office in July 2017.)

  • Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo said the State Department was “drumming up all the drama that took place over the weekend in Russia” to distract from the Hunter Biden text: “The White House wanted to give the media something else to cover. And this is the M.O. This is exactly the way they do things. In fact, on Friday, I said, wow, what a blockbuster WhatsApp message. I’m sure there will be an enormous story over the weekend that the White House is going to be pushing to take this story off of the front page. And sure enough, we’ve got the State Department drumming up all the drama that took place over the weekend in Russia.” (Back in February 2022, Bartiromo repeatedly claimed that Russia’s buildup to invade Ukraine was really just a “ruse” created by the Biden administration in order to distract from something to do with Hillary Clinton.) [Fox News, Fox & Friends Sunday, 6/25/23]
  • Fox News’ Griff Jenkins said Russia’s armed rebellion is “the perfect excuse” to ignore news about Hunter Biden. While hosting Fox’s The Big Weekend Show, Jenkins said: “Meanwhile, the mainstream media going all-in on that Russian rebellion, giving the perfect excuse to ignore those damning Hunter Biden WhatsApp messages that appear to implicate President Biden’s role in the family corruption scheme. The Sunday shows on the networks spending 39-plus minutes on the Wagner Group, and no, not a bit, no coverage at all of the Hunter messages. The one time Hunter was mentioned, Democrat senator Amy Klobuchar shrugged off any concerns about him. Watch.” [Fox News, The Big Weekend Show, 6/25/23]
  • Fox host Rachel Campos-Duffy repeatedly suggested that the U.S. was behind the armed rebellion. Campos-Duffy commented on Prigozhin being a mercenary and asked guest Rebekah Koffler, “Is there any possibility at all that the United States has anything to do with this?” Later, she said to guest K.T. McFarland, former deputy national security advisor to President Donald Trump: “I asked our last guest on this topic … if she thought it was possible that we could be behind this attempted coup with the Wagner Group, and she said it's definitely one of the possibilities. Or NATO.” McFarland responded that she might be right and suggested that the CIA was behind the 2014 ousting of a pro-Russian president in Ukraine. [Fox News, Fox & Friends Weekend, 6/24/23, 6/24/23]
  • Fox contributor and former congressman Sean Duffy said he did not believe Biden when he said the U.S. was not involved in the revolt. “Joe Biden has called for regime change in Russia,” Duffy said. “So then to say, ‘Well, we had no — the West has nothing to do with this Wagner Group and this rebellion,’ … I don't know that I trust anything that comes out of the White House any longer. I want to, I want to believe them, I want to trust them. But they keep lying to me, which makes me not believe them any longer.” [Fox News, Outnumbered, 6/26/23]
  • Newsmax host Rob Finnerty: The Russian armed rebellion is part of a “beautiful smokescreen” for media outlets to avoid covering conservative narratives about Hunter Biden. [Newsmax, Wake Up America, 6/26/23]
  • Gateway Pundit: “MTG hints US government could be behind Russia coup attempt.” On June 24, Gateway Pundit wrote that Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) “just like many other Americans finds the entire ordeal very suspicious and told her followers on Twitter ‘After our government has been funding a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine for over a year, I sure hope our government isn’t behind a coup attempt currently happening in Russia.’” [Gateway Pundit, 6/24/23]
  • Pro-Trump Twitter account The Trump Train lamented that Twitter’s trending topics were about the rebellion instead of Hunter Biden: “Look at all the trending topics on Twitter right now. … Not a single topic about the bombshell text messages recovered from Hunter Biden’s laptop.” [Twitter, 6/26/23]
  • Pro-Trump Twitter account Catturd called the rebellion a “planned distraction” from “the solid proof of Joe and Hunter Biden’s treason.” [Twitter, 6/23/23]
  • Catturd continued parroting the line that the rebellion is just a distraction: “The Democrat party state run propaganda media will be breathlessly talking about Russia this weekend to distract you from the fact Hunter and Joe Biden just got caught red-handed committing treason.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
  • Far-right troll Laura Loomer said Biden orchestrated the rebellion. On Twitter, Loomer wrote: “I truly believe the US Government is working with the CIA to stage a coup in Russia to oust Putin so that Joe Biden can campaign on toppling Putin in 2024. Just seems like this is all coordinated so Biden can take credit for ending the Ukraine-Russia war and pretend to be a hero. The US government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
  • Right-wing political strategist Joey Mannarino claimed that the CIA was behind the rebellion to distract from Hunter Biden: “First the submarine. Now the CIA staging a coup against Putin. Just keep talking about anything but Hunter Biden, huh? Joe will start World War Three before he lets the media actually scrutinize his bribes.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
 

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This guy is impressively insightful to help upstand the Russian mindset, especially under Putin.

 
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Democrats supported Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Biden and
Clinton were among them.

BTW I applauded Chretien and the leaders of France and others
who chose not to join Bush's coalition of the willing at the time of
the Iraq invasion.
Bush did not reveal the so called weapons of Mass destruction. There were almost 70 Democrats who were skeptical about Bush's excuse for invading Iraq and voted against it. Just 4 Republicans voted against it!!

If Bush claimed that such weapons were a threat to the security of the Nation, of course it would be a point of concern, and some Democrats would vote to take out those weapons of Mass Destruction. But the whole point of this debate is that the "Left Wingers" are not the ones that support wars as falsely claimed in the first place!!
 

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These nutty Republicans seem to be Putin ass kissers, with Ted Cruz having joined those particular ranks:

Ted Cruz HUMILIATED over pro-Putin post amid Russia news

 

SchlongConery

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This is one of, if not theeeeee most beautiful, sexy and wonderful women I have ever seen and heard...


 

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Some in right-wing media have claimed that the U.S. government had orchestrated the mutiny, potentially in order to serve a warmongering agenda. This commentary is in line with right-wing media’s tendency to blame anybody but Putin for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Others on the right have posited that the rebellion served a desired media narrative in order to distract from alleged corruption by President Joe Biden and his son Hunter. And in an even deeper journey into the fevered imagination, some posit that the White House arranged the rebellion for that specific purpose.
This particular angle stems from the right-wing media narrative that took hold last week regarding a message Hunter Biden reportedly sent to a Chinese business associate in July 2017 in which he demanded the completion of a business deal while claiming that his father was with him. (This narrative falls apart for a number of reasons, starting with the fact that Joe Biden did not hold any public office in July 2017.)

  • Fox Business anchor Maria Bartiromo said the State Department was “drumming up all the drama that took place over the weekend in Russia” to distract from the Hunter Biden text: “The White House wanted to give the media something else to cover. And this is the M.O. This is exactly the way they do things. In fact, on Friday, I said, wow, what a blockbuster WhatsApp message. I’m sure there will be an enormous story over the weekend that the White House is going to be pushing to take this story off of the front page. And sure enough, we’ve got the State Department drumming up all the drama that took place over the weekend in Russia.” (Back in February 2022, Bartiromo repeatedly claimed that Russia’s buildup to invade Ukraine was really just a “ruse” created by the Biden administration in order to distract from something to do with Hillary Clinton.) [Fox News, Fox & Friends Sunday, 6/25/23]
  • Fox News’ Griff Jenkins said Russia’s armed rebellion is “the perfect excuse” to ignore news about Hunter Biden. While hosting Fox’s The Big Weekend Show, Jenkins said: “Meanwhile, the mainstream media going all-in on that Russian rebellion, giving the perfect excuse to ignore those damning Hunter Biden WhatsApp messages that appear to implicate President Biden’s role in the family corruption scheme. The Sunday shows on the networks spending 39-plus minutes on the Wagner Group, and no, not a bit, no coverage at all of the Hunter messages. The one time Hunter was mentioned, Democrat senator Amy Klobuchar shrugged off any concerns about him. Watch.” [Fox News, The Big Weekend Show, 6/25/23]
  • Fox host Rachel Campos-Duffy repeatedly suggested that the U.S. was behind the armed rebellion. Campos-Duffy commented on Prigozhin being a mercenary and asked guest Rebekah Koffler, “Is there any possibility at all that the United States has anything to do with this?” Later, she said to guest K.T. McFarland, former deputy national security advisor to President Donald Trump: “I asked our last guest on this topic … if she thought it was possible that we could be behind this attempted coup with the Wagner Group, and she said it's definitely one of the possibilities. Or NATO.” McFarland responded that she might be right and suggested that the CIA was behind the 2014 ousting of a pro-Russian president in Ukraine. [Fox News, Fox & Friends Weekend, 6/24/23, 6/24/23]
  • Fox contributor and former congressman Sean Duffy said he did not believe Biden when he said the U.S. was not involved in the revolt. “Joe Biden has called for regime change in Russia,” Duffy said. “So then to say, ‘Well, we had no — the West has nothing to do with this Wagner Group and this rebellion,’ … I don't know that I trust anything that comes out of the White House any longer. I want to, I want to believe them, I want to trust them. But they keep lying to me, which makes me not believe them any longer.” [Fox News, Outnumbered, 6/26/23]
  • Newsmax host Rob Finnerty: The Russian armed rebellion is part of a “beautiful smokescreen” for media outlets to avoid covering conservative narratives about Hunter Biden. [Newsmax, Wake Up America, 6/26/23]
  • Gateway Pundit: “MTG hints US government could be behind Russia coup attempt.” On June 24, Gateway Pundit wrote that Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) “just like many other Americans finds the entire ordeal very suspicious and told her followers on Twitter ‘After our government has been funding a proxy war with Russia in Ukraine for over a year, I sure hope our government isn’t behind a coup attempt currently happening in Russia.’” [Gateway Pundit, 6/24/23]
  • Pro-Trump Twitter account The Trump Train lamented that Twitter’s trending topics were about the rebellion instead of Hunter Biden: “Look at all the trending topics on Twitter right now. … Not a single topic about the bombshell text messages recovered from Hunter Biden’s laptop.” [Twitter, 6/26/23]
  • Pro-Trump Twitter account Catturd called the rebellion a “planned distraction” from “the solid proof of Joe and Hunter Biden’s treason.” [Twitter, 6/23/23]
  • Catturd continued parroting the line that the rebellion is just a distraction: “The Democrat party state run propaganda media will be breathlessly talking about Russia this weekend to distract you from the fact Hunter and Joe Biden just got caught red-handed committing treason.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
  • Far-right troll Laura Loomer said Biden orchestrated the rebellion. On Twitter, Loomer wrote: “I truly believe the US Government is working with the CIA to stage a coup in Russia to oust Putin so that Joe Biden can campaign on toppling Putin in 2024. Just seems like this is all coordinated so Biden can take credit for ending the Ukraine-Russia war and pretend to be a hero. The US government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
  • Right-wing political strategist Joey Mannarino claimed that the CIA was behind the rebellion to distract from Hunter Biden: “First the submarine. Now the CIA staging a coup against Putin. Just keep talking about anything but Hunter Biden, huh? Joe will start World War Three before he lets the media actually scrutinize his bribes.” [Twitter, 6/24/23]
Congress needs to hold a real investigation into some of the treasonous statements listed above, just saying...
 
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