Putin's Russia & Ukraine updates

NotADcotor

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So what is the game plan for the Kremlin, HOPE and pray that the Maga Twats take over in 2024. Help them cheat as much as possible to do so and once in, the dumb MAGA twats will let the dictator complete his illegal invasion undisturbed?
It's not a bad plan, he almost won the second time around, realistically he should have only got 30% of the vote instead a few points why of Biden. It is pretty much the only way he can win is for the Yanks to lose interest as they are in the habit of doing. It is also this hope that probably stops him from just giving up and taking his chances with a coup.

It seems Ron DeathSanta went from being a possibility to looks like he is going to lose.

I just hope Biden really goes for the throat next time and his left wing nutbag wing don't fuck it up. Or heart attack, that would be grand. If I was into Jebus I'd pray for a Trump heart attack. It would save a lot of pain misery and lives.
 
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Granted that was before it was considered a war crime, but it is far from unknown.

Also, as I explained earlier there are sound reasons for Russian to blow up a UKRAINIAN dam. Protects the Dniper front and if they expect to lose Crimea, why would they care and before you derp on, they have been building up defenses in Crimea including for some odd reason on the coast line so don't say they think it's as unpossible as me fail english, or you fail history, or logic, or critical thinking or...

I'd ask if you feel embarrassed but I know you don't, you should but you don't. Or maybe, I mean you have gone from rolling on your floor with the possibility of losing your buttocks to just laughing out loud.
Russia blew up another dam just two weeks ago.
Its not like they haven't done this before.
 

DinkleMouse

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Russia blew up another dam just two weeks ago.
Its not like they haven't done this before.
Among other war crimes. Pretty sure all these American-haters would agree the when ICC was investigating Bush they almost certainly would've found enough evidence to indict had the US not withdrawn from the Rome Statute and moved out from under their authority, and I'm pretty sure they'd also agree he would've committed more if he'd been allowed to stay on as president because clearly he didn't care about the rules of war.

But for some reason they don't scrutinize Putin that same way. Now while I have no doubt individual Ukrainians have committed small-scale war crimes on an individual basis, like executing surrendering Russian soldiers, as happens in every war, and hopefully they will be identified and tried, there is no evidence of wide-spread, state-sanctioned war crimes. And the ICC looked, just as it did when it indicted Putin before he borrowed from Bush's playbook and withdrew from the Rome Statute.

I'll even go so far as to say Ukraine is going to be a problem post-peace. Putin has caused a ground-swell of Ukrainian nationalism and I would be terrified to be an ethnic Russian living in Ukraine when the dust settles. The UN and NATO are likely already preparing a peace-keeping force to try and stave off what we frequently see when "peace" moves in, and it's never pretty. Not only is the term "collaborator" used very liberally in the aftermath of war, but frequently one's heritage is enough to "earn" that label by the once-occupied.

I can admit all that because I'm not a propagandist. But you don't support a current genocidal megalomaniac's occupation because his leaving would also be a problem. Especially when it's been examined and he and his forces have been found to commit far more heinous acts on a far grander then we're likely to see when he leaves.

It actually reflects my views on the Nazi issue. Let's pretend for a moment that the ridiculous claims about Zelensky, with his Jewish heritage that lived through the Holocaust, being a Nazi are true. I believe in freedom of thought. While being filled with hate and anger, as Nazis, like the anti-woke, are, to the point of wanting to strip people of rights and invent propaganda against those you hate, are abhorrent views that I think make one a terrible human, people still have the right to believe whatever they want. If Hitler had said, "We hate Jews and we're not going to give them business licenses and they all have to leave Germany," it would have been an overreaction to go to war with him and sanctions would have been more appropriate. We went to war because he was engaged in genocide and invaded sovereign nations.

So even if Ukraine is filled with people who share Nazi ideals, which is a ridiculous statement but even if, that still doesn't justify war. Not until they start acting on it. And so far the only example people can give is the civil war in Donbas, which by any calculation had staggeringly low loss of life for a civil war, was primarily combatants, was coming to a close as the Ukrainian government and the Autonomous Replics had reached an agreement, and was largely exacerbated by the fact that, as the Russian government has admitted, over 50,000 members of the Russian armed forces had participated. Especially when investigations have determined a far larger number of war crimes were committed by Russian insurgents than by Ukrainian forces.

So in conclusion: Putin is a known war criminal with a history of blatant disregard for human life, and people's best justification for his actions are that hypothetically smaller-scale war crimes might exist if he surrenders, and that he's potentially justified as a war against thought and not action.

So these propagandists call us war mongers, but have set the threshold for war so low that they try to justify invasion, bombing of civilians, mass extermination, looting, cultural genocide, and risk of nuclear war based purely on what people think even if it's not backed up by action.

It's possible Ukraine blew up the damn. Anything is possible. But given that The Butcher of Samashki, Grozny, Grozny (not a typo, he butchered it twice), Baku-Rostov, Alkhan-Yurt, Novye-Aldi, Staropromyslovsky, Gori and South Ossetia, Kherson, Mariupol, Irpin, Kharkiv, Chernihiv, Bucha, Izium, Uman and Bakhmut has a long and storied history of committing war crimes, my money is on he did it.
 

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Putin is in deep shit. Ukraine Troops are steadily advancing and the Russian citizens are beginning to flee from the border towns!!

Chaos on frontlines as Ukraine war threatens to come home for Russia
As ‘governor’ claims streets are calm in flooded Kherson, Russian town of Shebekino is emptying amid heavy shelling

If Vladimir Saldo was trying to project a sense of calm among the deluged frontline towns and villages of Russian-occupied Kherson region, he was failing miserably.
The Kremlin-installed “governor”, dressed in camouflage and helmet and sitting in front of the flooded remains of the town centre of Nova Kakhovka, claimed that the city was “alive”.

“People are calmly walking around the streets,” said Saldo, as the flood waters rose up the walls of the city hall behind him. “I’ve just driven around the streets, people are working, the gas stations are open, some stores are open.”
The reality of the catastrophe was playing out around him: people stranded on the roofs of their houses and flats, begging for those with boats to come and save them. Dozens missing and whole towns downriver washed away. And reports that Russian troops were blocking access to the frontline towns on the left bank of the Dnipro river by installing new checkpoints even as the flood waters continued to rise.

“Everyone is left to fend for themselves, there is no organised evacuation,” said Gleb, a resident of Nova Kakhova who was looking for ways to leave the city.
As an anticipated Ukrainian counteroffensive looms, Russia’s frontlines appear to be in serious disarray, as local mismanagement, military infighting, and callous disregard seem to point to serious problems as the war threatens to come home for Russia.
If Russia bears responsibility for the destruction of the Kakhovka dam, as many suspect, it is an act of supreme desperation that the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, has equated to an “environmental bomb of mass destruction”.

Weeks before the waters of the Dnipro River were unleashed on the town south of Nova Kakhovka, there were signs that Russia was dangerously overextended along the potential frontlines of a Ukrainian counteroffensive.
In Russia’s Belgorod border region, Russian troops have effectively abandoned a number of small towns and villages as irregular Ukrainian-backed insurgent groups carry out cross-border raids. Once a sideshow, the paramilitaries, including many Russians with far-right connections fighting against the Kremlin, have managed to capture and hold territory inside Russia.
Shebekino, a Russian town of about 45,000 people, has effectively become a frontline city and come under heavy shelling, with all but about 500 residents fleeing from the border area.
“The city is empty, there are signs of destruction all around, there are no soldiers there,” Oleg, a volunteer who had travelled to the town to bring food and medicines, told the Guardian. “They are completely devastated, it’s hard to think sensibly in such stress. Even worse is the lack of water and light.”
“We have left everything,” Olga, who has lived in Shebekino for 40 years with her husband, told the Guardian from a temporary shelter in Belgorod. “We feel like nobody is protecting us.”
The Russian Volunteer Corps, an anti-Kremlin militia, claimed it had captured Novaya Tavolzhanka, one of the largest villages in the region. It had even taken prisoners, including a 23-year-old chef from the Pskov region who said he was a mobilised soldier. Vyacheslav Gladkov, the regional governor, admitted on Monday that Russian troops “cannot reach the village”, effectively confirming that they had temporarily lost control over a Russian town. In many ways, the border area appears largely unprotected.
“It’s a big question, why is the national guard not all over this, it is their job to protect the border areas, and its completely unclear why they aren’t there,” said Dara Massicot, a senior policy researcher at RAND who specialises in Russian military strategy. “If Russia has to bring in the military to protect its borders it will be a huge embarrassment. The national guard has armoured equipment and some 300,000 people; where are these people?”

Reporters working in Shebekino described conditions similar to those in frontline towns in Russian-occupied Ukraine, noting that the war had never been closer. “It’s very unusual to be in a flak jacket and helmet inside of Russia, old Russia,” said Maryana Naumova, a Kremlin-aligned journalist who visited Shebekino this week.
Those involved in evacuations have described getting little to no help from the authorities, who have been conspicuously absent in managing the tumult near the border.
“The situation in Shebekino is bad,” Sergei Apanasenko, a resident, told the Guardian. “I have evacuated 20 people since last week. There is a feeling that people are forgotten and the authorities aren’t helping with evacuations. We have to do everything ourselves.”
Propaganda pundits have gone on television to calm the population. Margarita Simonyan, the head of state-financed RT, called the cross-border raids “information attacks” meant to sow panic and said it was “working with many people I know”.
“It is being done for us all to see these scary pictures, that the war is already on our territory,” she said. Asked why the army had not yet launched a serious counterattack, she said: “I don’t know when, I am not our army, all I can do is to pray.”
Inside the city, locals have grown so desperate that many are beginning to call for Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Putin-connected warlord, to take over its defence.
“Shebekino is destroyed. It feels like Moscow has forgotten that Shebekino is Russia. We would like for Prigozhin to come and help us,” Evgeny, a local who had also shared a post saying #Prigozhinhelpus, told the Guardian.
Prigozhin himself had raised his hand to enter the city, continuing a longstanding feud with the Russian army over the distribution of ammunition and general prosecution of the war. “If the ministry of defence does not stop what is happening in the Belgorod region … where Russian territory is in fact being captured, then obviously we will arrive,” he said in an audio message published by his press service.
“We will defend … Russian people and all those who live there.”

Prigozhin has increasingly thumbed his nose at the military leadership, ridiculing them for failing to stop last week’s drone attacks against Moscow and for a recent video of the purported destruction of a Leopard tank that he said looked more like a Ukrainian combine harvester.
In the biggest sign of a schism, Wagner troops beat and humiliated a serving Russian officer in command of the 72nd Brigade for allegedly ordering his soldiers to fire on a Wagner convoy. The rifts in Russia’s war machine have grown as Wagner has pulled out of positions in Bakhmut after spending eight months to take the city, leaving regular troops to guard the frontlines while his mercenaries may seek to avoid the opening blows of Ukraine’s coming counteroffensive.
“The Russian army will now be properly tested, they won’t be able to hide behind Wagner like they did in Bakhmut,” said Marat Gabidullin, a former Wagner mercenary who knows Prigozhin. He has written a memoir about his time in the paramilitary organisation.
“Prigozhin has built a very strong personal brand. He has positioned himself as the leader of the silent majority that isn’t heard. Many trust him more than the defence ministry. They see Prigozhin as their saviour.”
Thank you for joining us today from Canada. I’m writing from Kyiv, on the eve of a Ukrainian counter-offensive. The outcome is uncertain. Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers equipped with battle tanks supplied by the west are massing, ready to advance. The Russians have dug in. Vladimir Putin still believes he can win.
Guardian reporters were in Kyiv at the outbreak of Europe’s biggest conflict since 1945. We will continue to report from Ukraine for as long as it takes - a group of dedicated reporters, working in difficult conditions, often on the frontline.
We can’t do this without funding from Guardian readers, whose contributions fund our coverage and ensure that the truth does not become a casualty of war.
So if you’re able to support our independent open journalism today, with perhaps as little as £2 a month, it would make a real difference, boosting our resources and our ability to report the truth about what is happening in this terrible conflict.

 
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SchlongConery

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I don't know why people are surprised that the Butcher of Grozny went on to use those same tactics against Ukraine. Once you've committee a few dozen war crimes, what's a few dozen more?
Nobody who knows Russia is surprised.
 
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NotADcotor

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So it seems lots of Russian troops were caught by the flooding, you know who did get a warning... armoured units. Telling you metal is more important than man to the Russians.*

But yeah Ukraine did it because 40 years ago the weather girl on NTV news said infer when she obvious meant imply and western sources can never be trusted unlike Russian ones which are always right and correct and dedicated to honesty.

* I can't disagree with that actually, I loves me some Bodycount, Austrian Death Machine etc.
 
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Telling you metal is more important than man to the Russians.*
We already knew this was true. Russia has been bragging about how they can outproduce any western power when it comes to machines of war since they first took Crimea, not making any mention of the cost of lives. Or just look at the difference between a Russian
(top) vs Ukrainian (bottom) medical pack. Alcohol wipes, iodine, gauze, bandage, tourniquet. A WWII medical pack had better. Basically "stop blood loss and pray". Can't even cut back clothing with her basic pack, and not enough gauze to even pack a wound, no plastic even to deal with sucking chest wounds, which are very common on a battlefield. WWII medical packs had better equipment than this. Not even syrettes with painkillers. It's a disgrace.

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"decadent West"

Weren't there decadent cultures/societies before?
Ancient Rome
Ancient Greece
1920's Germany
more
 

mandrill

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"decadent West"

Weren't there decadent cultures/societies before?
Ancient Rome
Ancient Greece
1920's Germany
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Dartsy, isn't that kind of a late Victorian moral myth?

Do you know of any actual historians who support it?.... Especially the 1920's Germany bit that implies that Germany needed a no nonsense touch of Hitler to stop them dressing like ladies and sucking other men's dicks.
 

Valcazar

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Dartsy, isn't that kind of a late Victorian moral myth?

Do you know of any actual historians who support it?.... Especially the 1920's Germany bit that implies that Germany needed a no nonsense touch of Hitler to stop them dressing like ladies and sucking other men's dicks.
It's basically just people endlessly recycling this meme.

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"decadent West"

Weren't there decadent cultures/societies before?
Ancient Rome
Ancient Greece
1920's Germany
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Terb?
BTW - Ancient Greeks decadent? Surely not the Spartans...
 

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Ukrainian army publishes video showing liberation of village in Donetsk region • FRANCE 24 English


 
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