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Quebec Major Junior Hockey will ban fighting for next year.

shack

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This is really dumb...Expect stick work to increase significantly.

Players won't be able to police themselves so there will be a lot of liberties taken.

But the pacifists will be happy so there is that....You know the ones that don't actually watch the game and all.
Easy solution. Increase the penalties for stick related incidents in which there was intent. Maybe the coach gets ejected and/or fined. You'll soon see a lot less stickwork.

So, if you clip a guy on a follow through of a shot, there's no intent. But if you spear a guy or come down on his head or shoulder with your stick, that's a different story. As well, the refs know what's going on in a game and know if a player was being targetted. It'd be an easy thing to implement.
 

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Good... fighting is only allowed for boxing and UFC. Not many of these idiots have brain cells anyway so who cares

Every other sports has banned it. It is about time.
 

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Easy solution. Increase the penalties for stick related incidents in which there was intent. Maybe the coach gets ejected and/or fined. You'll soon see a lot less stickwork.

So, if you clip a guy on a follow through of a shot, there's no intent. But if you spear a guy or come down on his head or shoulder with your stick, that's a different story. As well, the refs know what's going on in a game and know if a player was being targetted. It'd be an easy thing to implement.
The Tom Wilson's of the league will run Matthews and Marner through the boards without adequate protection.

You're delusional if you think otherwise.
 

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The Tom Wilson's of the league will run Matthews and Marner through the boards without adequate protection.

You're delusional if you think otherwise.
If there is so little fighting in a sport like football, it can be eliminated in hockey as well. The referees know when someone is being targetted. Severe penalties and/or suspensions or coach suspension or teams being sanctioned for targetting. The culture can be changed.

Anyways, no need for us to speculate. We will soon see what happens in the "Q".

Question, of which I do not know the answer. How much fighting (NHL style) is there in European hockey? European Junior hockey?

I suspect much, much less and I also suspect there is still much less ancillary physical violence. They have a different culture.
 

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Fighting has been the stupidest part of hockey. Every other contact sport has had ejections and suspensions for any punches instead of pretending it's part of the game. Sports like football and rugby have had no issues in protecting skilled star players; the excuses from the 'back in my day' crowd don't hold any merit.

If you want a sport where fighting is the main part ...
 

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This is really dumb...Expect stick work to increase significantly.

Players won't be able to police themselves so there will be a lot of liberties taken.

But the pacifists will be happy so there is that....You know the ones that don't actually watch the game and all.
I wouldn't count on that. Perhaps you were not aware that there were already pretty strict rules in place in the OHL (and I believe QMJHL) that significantly punished fighting compared to the past. This has been a gradual change in penalty levels that they were able to monitor the impacts such as stick work changes.

In the OHL once a players gets in a 3rd fight during the year they automatically get a 2 game suspension.... and they also have strict rules against staged fights. Although this year they have stricter rules for staged fighting or for fights to start a game or period.

"A player who exceeds three fights in a season will automatically receive a two-game suspension, a drastic change from the previous rule that was in place and implemented for the 2012-13 season. The previous rule allowed for 10 fights per player before triggering a suspension. Each scuffle above the three-fight limit will lead to a two-game ban. "

The new QMJHL rule ejects a player for fighting from the game. It doesn't even result in a suspension unless you are the instigator.
There will still be some fighting if necessary -- but in most situations its not necessary.
It's a more onerous rule than the current OHL one, but not by much more.
 
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The Tom Wilson's of the league will run Matthews and Marner through the boards without adequate protection.

You're delusional if you think otherwise.
Tom Wilson already runs players into the boards and the ice without giving a shit.
The current rules allowing for fighting do nothing to stop him. The threat of a fight does not scare him. He is not afraid of dropping the gloves - in fact he welcomes it.
 
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Easy solution. Increase the penalties for stick related incidents in which there was intent. Maybe the coach gets ejected and/or fined. You'll soon see a lot less stickwork.

So, if you clip a guy on a follow through of a shot, there's no intent. But if you spear a guy or come down on his head or shoulder with your stick, that's a different story. As well, the refs know what's going on in a game and know if a player was being targetted. It'd be an easy thing to implement.
They already penalize stickwork (and related suspensions) more in the QMJHL and the OHL than they do in the NHL.
Which is a good thing.

Probably also helps in reducing fighting within the current rules.
 

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What annoys me about many fights in the NHL today (might even be as high as 50%) is they are often engaged into after a player has issued a clean hard legal body check.

It seems that fighting today is used more often than not, to try to intimidate the opponent into not giving hard legal checks.

The exact opposite of "fights" are done to counteract stick play.
 
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maurice93

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Hockey has taken so much physical play out.
The legal hits are as hard as ever. And there is still quite a bit of them.

Problem is that players are so much stronger and faster than in the past. While there bodies are stronger, the head itself is not really stronger against concussions. It forced rules against certain types of hits which I agree with.
 

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To add, every game being from the Jr level up being recorded. That means it is quite easy for the league to review issues with 'stick work' and punish illegal acts that the ref missed. Seems to work reasonably well in other sports (though rugby is a bit up in arms right now over unequal punishments).
 

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It is about time that somebody took a stance regarding fighting in hockey. It actually makes no sense why fighting was even involved in hockey in the first place there is nothing for fighting to be gained to make the song board a better and more attractive for kids to be involved what are we trying to teach in our society kids to fight in sports so I’m glad that the Quebec Junior League is taking a stance and I wish the NHL would also get rid of fighting as well.
 
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It is about time that somebody took a stance regarding fighting in hockey. It actually makes no sense why fighting was even involved in hockey in the first place there is nothing for fighting to be gained to make the song board a better and more attractive for kids to be involved what are we trying to teach in our society kids to fight in sports so I’m glad that the Quebec Junior League is taking a stance and I wish the NHL would also get rid of fighting as well.
100% agree that fighting should be taken out and has no place in sport.
 
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They haven’t banned fighting, they’ve just given it a harsher penalty, ejected from the game and an extra game.
Why can’t they ban fighting? There’s no place in any sport for people to fight over some type of physical confrontation during a game I’m still trying to figure out what the reason is to allow fighting to continue in hockey if it is because of the history of hockey, and that would be one of the stupidest things in deciding to keep fighting as rules and traditions That have been historically prevalent in sports have been adapted to modern society
 
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