question re: NHL waivers/Raycroft

1HandInMyPocket

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I was watching the game tonight and it was mentioned that Raycroft was still being paid by the Leafs. I found out that the the Leafs put him on waivers in June 2008 and bought out the rest of his contract later that month. So my question is, why do the Leafs still have to pay him. Why buy out his contract and not just keep him but still pay him. To me this situation doesn't make sense so I must be missing something. Can someone clarify this scenario.

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The Bandit

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He's still on the Leafs cap until the contract ends (which I believe ends this year), but he's not under contract so he can play for another team. That's the problem with longer-term contracts, every player should be paid by performance incentives.
 

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I don't know the specifics, but the buyout is less than the full amount, and the cap hit is spread out over a period longer than what was actually left on the contract. You could also bury a player and his contract in the AHL minors, but I think they don't do that because it would make the whole team seem bad to any free agents who might otherwise sign with them.

As for the trend of contracts being long term, it's a sign of the hard cap. You could sign them short term, but then if they have a great season that you expect them to when signing them, they will likely fetch a prohibitively expensive contract extension or you will just lose them as an unrestricted. Performance incentives are probably only going to happen when the team has the upper hand, otherwise the player can just look elsewhere.

Contracts like Hossa's are probably going to be a problem, they are super heavy front loaded, and last so long that the player will likely retire before it ends (the intention). The player gets more money, and the team gets a lower cap hit for each year, and in the end I'm sure retiring probably circumvents the team from keeping the contract against the cap.
 

Doc Holliday

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Cliff Fletcher did more damage to this franchise (in his 2nd tenure) than John Ferguson ever did. Name me one good move by Fletcher? Every single move he made will haunt them for years. Trading away Alex Steen & Carlo Colaicovo for Lee Stempniac was a very bad trade. Stempniac is also making $3.5 million this season alone, which is atrocious!

Signing marginal defenceman Jeff Finger to a $14 million/4 year contract was absolutely terrible!

Trading a 2nd round pick to Phoenix for an aging Yannic Perreault at the trade deadline (for a handful of games, it turns out) was absolutely stupid.

Buying out the contracts of Darcy Tucker & Andrew Raycroft should have sent him to the gallows! If he didn't want them on the team, he should have sent them down to the minors instead of paying them to play for another team who will come back and haunt them.

Trading Brian McCabe to Florida for Mike Van Ryn was another bad move on his part. McCabe is now the captain in Florida. Van Ryn has been injury prone during his time with the Leafs, hasn't played a game this season, and will be a free agent after this season.

And there were other questionable moves (e.g. Jamal Mayers, etc).

What Cliff Fletcher did in less than a year has damaged the Leafs for years to come!!! But that's what happens when you hire and old guy from the old days who's never operated under a salary cap system. What a disastrous move his hiring was!
 

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ranford has been solid for the canucks this year. he's a ufa next year but i'm hoping he's happy on the canucks and sticks around. he seems like a good level headed guy.
 

Ironhead

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Raycroft did not play well for the Leafs and the saves he made Saturday night vs the Leafs a peewee goalie could have stopped.
Then he taunts the fans ?
Oh sweet justice would be after Canada locks up the Gold, Luongo got a five week injury. We would see how much they like Raycroft then.
 

21pro

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Hey, Ironhead. Canucks did very well when Luongo was injured earlier this season with Raycroft in net from late October to early December, even a shutout against Colorado- who at the time was the league's highest scoring team.
 

Lapper

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Raycroft did not play well for the Leafs and the saves he made Saturday night vs the Leafs a peewee goalie could have stopped.
Then he taunts the fans ?
Oh sweet justice would be after Canada locks up the Gold, Luongo got a five week injury. We would see how much they like Raycroft then.
raycroft wasn't taunting the fans. he was acknowledging all the canucks' fans that were cheering for him at that end.

raycroft didn't have much work but he outplayed luongo on saturday. luongo let in 3 goals he should have stopped which is why he will not be the starting goalie for team canada. too many goals like those against him of late.
 

Ironhead

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Leafs also played well in November and December, but reality caught up with them. Come March and into the playoffs, when teams bare down, he, Raycroft, would look more like the guy the Leafs let go.

Oh yes, waving to all the Canuck fans in Toronto, that is what he was doing.
 

21pro

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I agree he was givin' it to the fans... as he was when he was intereviewed post game. not the classiest response and slightly immature... but, who's expecting him to act like Crosby in the instance.

but, I think he is a better 'tender than he was a leaf.
 

pencilneckgeek2

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Oh sweet justice would be after Canada locks up the Gold, Luongo got a five week injury. We would see how much they like Raycroft then.
You sir, are an asshat. You are wishing an injury upon someone. That is a completely ignorant comment. Utterly classless.
 

Ironhead

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I agree he was givin' it to the fans... as he was when he was intereviewed post game. not the classiest response and slightly immature... but, who's expecting him to act like Crosby in the instance.

but, I think he is a better 'tender than he was a leaf.
And he set a Leaf record for wins in a season.





You sir, are an asshat. You are wishing an injury upon someone. That is a completely ignorant comment. Utterly classless.
Yeah eh.
 
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