"I thought she wanted it" likely fails if she has told you that she doesn't consents to sex except with potential husbands and you have lied in order to fool her into thinking you are one. In that case you have been told she doesn't consent.
Question: Should It Be Considered Rape If A Trans Person Doesn't Tell You...
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Unless you're a high court judge, you have no business predicting and can only have meant 'should', not 'would'.
And unless you're an impressionable infant, we'd have to hope the no real court would consider getting your paid-for BJ from a guy instead of a girl would be remotely similar to an adult male forcing sex on a child. Nor would any court worthy of respect excuse you appointing yourself judge jury and executioner of any guy you declared "…a child molester that you found with your young daughter".
Guys who act like you talk are why we make laws and have courts.
Of course no time to spare when you realize you are wrong eh?
The post you decided to reply to (#4 then #5) you very clearly said that I (as a Canadian) could get in trouble if I lied to a women to get her in the sack
I then asked what law you think has been broken (again in Canada, but by all means I expand the challenge and will let you post a Thai law if you prefer since that is what twizz was asking about)
Or are you suddenly too busy to respond to this thread now?
You have to have an "honest belief" that your partner has consented. If you know that consent was obtained by fraud, good luck with that. These cases are rare enough that the test cases are mostly international, but the Canadian criminal code definition of consent is similar to that of nations that have prosecuted fraudulent consent cases.
Let me throw it back to you: show me a case where consent obtained through fraud was considered acceptable to a Canadian court.
Let me throw it back to you: show me a case where consent obtained through fraud was considered acceptable to a Canadian court.
There are many ways to approach a situation such as this,. One is to laugh it off and ask her or him to leave, the other is to be so insecure with ones self to the point of killing the other person. Really?
He got everything he deserves.
Short answer: no.
However, I think if you ask someone point blank about this, making it very clear that you would not consent to anything sexual if they were trans, and they lie to you.. then I think there's a reasonable case to claim rape/sexual assault.
That said.. this obviously doesn't justify what the marine did. The only presumable way that any sort of physical violence as "self defence" would be justifiable here is to stop the other person from performing a sexual act on you that you don't consent to. IE. If he found out the person was born a man, and told her to stop, say, sucking his dick.. but she continued..
However, I think if you ask someone point blank about this, making it very clear that you would not consent to anything sexual if they were trans, and they lie to you.. then I think there's a reasonable case to claim rape/sexual assault.
That said.. this obviously doesn't justify what the marine did. The only presumable way that any sort of physical violence as "self defence" would be justifiable here is to stop the other person from performing a sexual act on you that you don't consent to. IE. If he found out the person was born a man, and told her to stop, say, sucking his dick.. but she continued..
So I pick up a girl at a bar and before we get it on she asks "you aren't married, right?", and I lie. How is that any different?
I'd love to see a police force on this continent pursue a rape charge because "honestly baby, I'm not married".
in the U.K trans are using the media to attack and guilt trip straight men for not attracted nor interested in to trans women
However, the winds are certainly starting to blow back the other direction as to the concepts involved in the tort of Breach of Promise.
Years back a girl went after a man who told her he was a movie director so that she would sleep with him. It made it to a judge who threw it out stating that the court system would not be able to handle the number of cases if everyone who embellished their status to appeal to the other sex ended up in court.
In the UK there is a direct answer to post 1: yes. There was a case of a woman who cross dressed as a man and had sex of some kind with another woman who believed the cross dresser was male. Eventually the truth came out and and the cross dresser was convicted of sexual assault for obtaining consent fraudulently.
UK law being similar to Canadian law, and these cases being extremely rare, that is likely the only precedent we have.
UK law being similar to Canadian law, and these cases being extremely rare, that is likely the only precedent we have.
