Radical Muslim group threatens to kill creators of South Park for depicting Muhammad
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I have yet to see a rope hang a man or a sword cut a head off.
It is the actions of others that kill.
Not so lucky for the Dutchman Vangogh who was stabbed to death by some Muslim whack job about 3 or 4 years ago after making a film in which his criticized muslim whack jobs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
The creators of South Park just might end up laughing their heads off over this one.
Agreed. The problem is the fundamentalists (in my understanding, those that believe that it is their right, or even responsibility, to impose their religious views on others), rather than any specific religion. Related to this is how far those fundamentalists are willing to take things.
A second aspect of this issue is the free speech thing. Before anyone jumps all over me on this, I believe in free speech. I also believe that with rights come responsibilities. With the right to free speech comes the responsibility to use it wisely. To take the example of the Danish cartoonist, did he have the right to depict Mohammed? I'd say yes. Was it the right, wise and responsible thing to do? Absolutely not. You don't poke someone in the eye just because you can. The cartoonist (as well as the South Park guys) went out of their way to piss off hundreds of millions of people around the world. Not a bright thing to do.
I disagree.
The muslims need to learn to relax a bit. This culture trumps the law shit is just that - shit. They need to learn to lighten up.
I don't see Christians getting all wound up about the "Piss Christ" (google it) and chopping off heads over it.
The muslims need to learn to relax a bit. This culture trumps the law shit is just that - shit. They need to learn to lighten up.
I don't see Christians getting all wound up about the "Piss Christ" (google it) and chopping off heads over it.
Considering the atrocities perpetrated in the name of Christianity, this is a nieve statement Tiberius. The difference is that most Christians have grown tired and no longer have the stomach for ritualistic slaughter. Islam being a younger religion hasn't reached the stage of becoming blood weary. There is still a strong minority within Islam that want a clash of civilizations. Religion is the bulwark of ignorance and superstition. If there is a God, IT has no use for us.
The unpronouncable volcano in Iceland should be a reminder to all religious fanatics. Nature can snuff us out anytime it wants and there isn't a damn thing that God can do about it.
On Muslim writer was quoted by CNN as saying that he didn't have a problem with this South Park because it is clearly a comment on free speech/creative freedom and not to incite hatred (which was his view of the Danish cartoons)
If we all get a caricature of Muhammad then the nut jobs would have to kill us all. Would that entitle us to a few virgins in the afterlife? I would consider it a noble death for the cause.
Why do I get the feeling that Tom cruise will somehow end up humping Mo in a closet in part 2. With Stone and Parker's money, they should just have the guy who owns the website wacked. End of story.
Do really think they did it to annoy Muslims? I don't, I think they did it in order to make a statement about free speech. Free speech has been severely harmed by Muslim extremism, and by Western cowardice in the face of these threats, the South Park guys had the balls to stand up for their freedom. You can cower in fear if you choose, but some people are willing to face threats, in order to do what is right.
Good point. I'd accept that the primary motivation may have been to make a statement about free speech. I don't think that I'd accept that free speech in the western world has been "severely harmed", as you say, by some Islamic extremists. But my point was more that those that are exercising their right to free speech should show some good judgement in its use. It's a mutual respect thing. I know that the response to that is, "Well, they should respect our right to free speech!". I agree with that. But we should respect their belief that it is wrong to create a depiction of Mohammed. And the extremists who are willing to kill in support of that belief should really, really chill out.
Part of freedom entails the freedom to be offensive. While you may chose to exercise judgment and/or restraint it is not really freedom when the judgment or restraint is imposed even if inferentially by the threat of violence. Does not take much to stand for free speech if you are defending Anne of Green Gables. That is not to say that one should be free to spew hatred or incite hatred. Their is a difference between freedom and license although the line is sometimes difficult to see or find.
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I completely agree with what you write. I don't believe (nor have I suggested) that judgement or restraint should be imposed, by threat of violence or otherwise. Judgement, and respect for others, comes from within. Certainly my freedom of speech includes the freedom to be offensive (possibly in the form of creating a depiction of Mohammed). Because I respect Muslims (and many other religions) I would not do that, unless there was an important reason to do so. I don't consider that, "proving that I have freedom of speech" is sufficient reason. This goes without saying, and I don't need to offend a religious group to prove it.
Now, this is the way I live my life. I would not impose that on someone else. Mutual respect.
