Rephrase all you want, but the population control you've postulate hasn't really worked no matter what time frame you suggest. As for religion controlling, it can also motivate the population to do amazing things.
Religion is a beautiful thing!
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In the animal kingdom ,it has been observed in over 800 species and speculated in as many as 1500. No kidding, natural.What? Excuse me? What the hell does that mean? Homosexuality exists because it's a natural state of life. You can see it in many species, and is about as common in other species as it is in people. Add to that no one walking on the face of this Earth is 100% one thing or another. Stupid post, nosidam.
I am quite sure people disagree with me and they may well be right.OK. If that's your pov. I have a great deal of respect for your opinion on this sorry little forum, rld. But I think you're wrong. Humans could have evolved just as well without the human construct of religion. Other species seem to have and done just fine. None of that nonsense was necessary to get us to where we are today.
I would however point out, that despite our numerous flaws, humans are the dominant species, we have done way better than any other species even close to our size (bacteria and virus do very well) and that to my knowledge no human society has come to pass without something that we call religion.
There is also a lot of research going on now that suggests that religion might be hard wired into us, which would suggest that is has either an evolutionary value, or is an evolutionary bi-product or spandrel. Hard to say, but a fascinating area that we are now having the courage to explore properly.
Then you really don't know much about religion or genetics or homosexuality.Let me rephrase, religion is used to control people, the masses. Homosexuality is used to control population growth. World is overpopulated and they are finding ways to lower the population through diseases, food, drugs, homosexuality...etc. Limit or slow growth.
Well homosexuality is natural and exist but im just saying they maybe are using it to control population. Even tho its considered natural it doesnt make sense to me why a man would be attracted to another man, lesbians is everymans fantasy but not the other way around.
Most religions prohibit birth control and encourage having more children. In fact religious people (of which I am not one), tend to have more children to non-religious people. Religion may serve a social or maybe even biological purpose, but it ain't population control.
I have no idea what you are trying to say about homosexuality. I don't have a clue who the "they" is who are using it to control population. Are you suggesting that some group of people is using homosexuality to control population growth or that mother nature is?
On the face of it, one would think homosexuality, if it was strictly genetic, would die out because homosexuals don't tend to reproduce, or do so at a very low rate. But that would be a very poor understanding of genetics and evolution indeed! If you are thinking about the evolutionary issues around homosexuality you really need to consider a number of things including evolutionary b--products (I prefer to call them spandrels but I digress), the need for hetergenity in a population, and issues like the "Mad monkey problem." While this is a very young area of research I think I can say with some confidence that homosexuality did not evolve either as a form of population control. Evolution simply does not work that way.
Back on the original subject. Americans United for the Seperation of Church and State are filing an IRS complaint against this chap for telling people to vote against Obama. I think this is a great step.
I should also point out that this fine organization is lead by a minister of a church, that I, and many Canadians have a lot of time for.
I should also point out that this fine organization is lead by a minister of a church, that I, and many Canadians have a lot of time for.
Freudian slip?I should also point out that this fine organization is lead by a minister of a church, that I, and many Canadians have a lot of time for.
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Freudian slip?
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I don't think so. I strongly support the separation of church and state, and the leader of that group is from the United church of Christ, which to my eye is very similar to the United church of Canada, which is Canada's largest protestant denomination.
Ah, I see. 'The fine organization' you're referring to is Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. I took it to be... Okay, my bad!I don't think so. I strongly support the separation of church and state, and the leader of that group is from the United church of Christ, which to my eye is very similar to the United church of Canada, which is Canada's largest protestant denomination.
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My poor writing actually. I see where you went with it.Ah, I see. 'The fine organization' you're referring to is Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. I took it to be... Okay, my bad!
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What percentage of Americans do you figure would agree with his idea of isolating homosexuals so that they can't reproduce?The Providence Road Baptist Church (Maiden, N.C) is a "independent Baptist Church" unaffiliated with any larger convention. Hence another stand alone congregation which other Baptists regard as being "strange."
Or Canadians. I would expect Canadians to be a bit more tolerant, but it wouldn't surprise me if we had a sizeable share of neanderthals here too.
A lovely ahistorical generalization. Well done. Ignorance established.the more violent and aggressive religions last, while the peaceful ones are crushed.........the main purpose of these religions is to control people ( including getting them to kill for you)
Pretty doggone minuscule (not that I believe there is going to be a lot of reproducing going on).What percentage of Americans do you figure would agree with his idea of isolating homosexuals so that they can't reproduce?
Or Canadians. I would expect Canadians to be a bit more tolerant, but it wouldn't surprise me if we had a sizeable share of neanderthals here too.
There is to put it mildly an extreme difference between feeling that Marriage should not be the term used for same sex unions, or even that same sex unions should not be allowed, and saying that all "all gays and lesbians should be placed in a concentration camp behind an electrified fence and allowed to die!"
I agree. I think people are hard wired to believe in a god. I disagree about the reason. Humans are dominant on the planet, for now. We are king manipulators. We're very good at that. Issac Asimov once wrote a short story about a brillantly intelligent dog, who only envied humans for the fact that they had hands. Humans. Mano. Manipulate. See where I'm going with this.I am quite sure people disagree with me and they may well be right.
I would however point out, that despite our numerous flaws, humans are the dominant species, we have done way better than any other species even close to our size (bacteria and virus do very well) and that to my knowledge no human society has come to pass without something that we call religion.
There is also a lot of research going on now that suggests that religion might be hard wired into us, which would suggest that is has either an evolutionary value, or is an evolutionary bi-product or spandrel. Hard to say, but a fascinating area that we are now having the courage to explore properly.
Humans have one other thing that distinguishes us from other species. We are very self conscious, and very aware of our own mortality, in a way unlike any other being. So we constructed religion, a god, to get us through the night. And allow people to pretend there is something after this life. I don't think there is. But hard wired into are psyche? Absolutely.
We cannot disagree on the reason that religion is hard wired into us because I don't claim to know that reason. It could be what you are suggesting, I read a book that takes that tack a couple of years ago...I think it was called The God Part of the Brain, but it really was a lot of speculation, and pretty short on evidence or really tight logic. Considering how long ago this likely took place, and the complete lack of evidence surrounding its origins, we may never really know. People who are into evolutionary pyschology (which I am not a big fan of) speculate religion developed for similar reasons to culture, to bind groups together and produce better group behaviour. But once again that work is almost pure speculation.I agree. I think people are hard wired to believe in a god. I disagree about the reason. Humans are dominant on the planet, for now. We are king manipulators. We're very good at that. Issac Asimov once wrote a short story about a brillantly intelligent dog, who only envied humans for the fact that they had hands. Humans. Mano. Manipulate. See where I'm going with this.
Humans have one other thing that distinguishes us from other species. We are very self conscious, and very aware of our own mortality, in a way unlike any other being. So we constructed religion, a god, to get us through the night. And allow people to pretend there is something after this life. I don't think there is. But hard wired into are psyche? Absolutely.
I am with you about the hands, planning and anticipating are also pretty uniquely human, as is our language and communication capacity and our ability to understand further levels of the intentions of others.
I agree 100% that as far as the current evidence goes we are the only really self-aware species in any meaningful sense.
Every since I saw read up on the research being done by Michael Persinger at Laurentian U, it has intrigued me.We cannot disagree on the reason that religion is hard wired into us because I don't claim to know that reason. It could be what you are suggesting, I read a book that takes that tack a couple of years ago...I think it was called The God Part of the Brain, but it really was a lot of speculation, and pretty short on evidence or really tight logic. Considering how long ago this likely took place, and the complete lack of evidence surrounding its origins, we may never really know. People who are into evolutionary pyschology (which I am not a big fan of) speculate religion developed for similar reasons to culture, to bind groups together and produce better group behaviour. But once again that work is almost pure speculation.
I am with you about the hands, planning and anticipating are also pretty uniquely human, as is our language and communication capacity and our ability to understand further levels of the intentions of others.
I agree 100% that as far as the current evidence goes we are the only really self-aware species in any meaningful sense.
It was late in the evening when K. arrived. The village was deep in snow. The Castle hill was hidden, veiled in mist and darkness, nor was there even a glimmer of light to show that a castle was there. On the wooden bridge leading from the main road to the village, K. stood for a long time gazing into the illusory emptiness above him.
The Castle Franz Kafka
The Castle Franz Kafka
Religion, god, or what i call unified belief system is wired or naturally built in because we are animals, but being able to create tools and change our man made environments we have become dumbed down or disconnected from nature, possibly the unused pineal gland. For example, the animals seem to have a sense of when the thailand tsunami was about to hit and moved to higher ground, humans stayed and drowned, completely unaware and disconnected of the natural matrix that we live in. So there are man made religions use to control people with force and maintain power and control, and there are just true natural belief systems.We cannot disagree on the reason that religion is hard wired into us because I don't claim to know that reason. It could be what you are suggesting, I read a book that takes that tack a couple of years ago...I think it was called The God Part of the Brain, but it really was a lot of speculation, and pretty short on evidence or really tight logic. Considering how long ago this likely took place, and the complete lack of evidence surrounding its origins, we may never really know. People who are into evolutionary pyschology (which I am not a big fan of) speculate religion developed for similar reasons to culture, to bind groups together and produce better group behaviour. But once again that work is almost pure speculation.
I am with you about the hands, planning and anticipating are also pretty uniquely human, as is our language and communication capacity and our ability to understand further levels of the intentions of others.
I agree 100% that as far as the current evidence goes we are the only really self-aware species in any meaningful sense.
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I think we tend to over complicate things.
Its normal to wonder about why, how etc., we need an answer.
I didn't create this existence, that person over there didn't, so....... it must be some-"thing" way more powerful than us.
So, what could it be, I've never seen "it", or even heard "it", so it can't be here with us.
Therefore, it must be "up there", in the "fill in the blanks of your choice", so we look up.
Some one with some hierarchy says, lets call it the/a "fill in the blanks",....... the "name/tile" assigned by various cultures is of NO importance, anything really, would do.
( I don’t personally know how or if the word “god” translates to other languages)
Then this "authority", who suggested that "it" must exist, eventually "creates" rules and regulations to govern by, because "it" told me so, and we need guidance anyway.
We now have what has been coined as RELIGION, a simple and logical consequence of a universal need.
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I think we tend to over complicate things.
Its normal to wonder about why, how etc., we need an answer.
I didn't create this existence, that person over there didn't, so....... it must be some-"thing" way more powerful than us.
So, what could it be, I've never seen "it", or even heard "it", so it can't be here with us.
Therefore, it must be "up there", in the "fill in the blanks of your choice", so we look up.
Some one with some hierarchy says, lets call it the/a "fill in the blanks",....... the "name/tile" assigned by various cultures is of NO importance, anything really, would do.
( I don’t personally know how or if the word “god” translates to other languages)
Then this "authority", who suggested that "it" must exist, eventually "creates" rules and regulations to govern by, because "it" told me so, and we need guidance anyway.
We now have what has been coined as RELIGION, a simple and logical consequence of a universal need.
FAST
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Really...no animals were killed in that Tsunami...that is amazing!Religion, god, or what i call unified belief system is wired or naturally built in because we are animals, but being able to create tools and change our man made environments we have become dumbed down or disconnected from nature, possibly the unused pineal gland. For example, the animals seem to have a sense of when the thailand tsunami was about to hit and moved to higher ground, humans stayed and drowned, completely unaware and disconnected of the natural matrix that we live in. So there are man made religions use to control people with force and maintain power and control, and there are just true natural belief systems.
