RIP August Ames
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When you question someone's "contribution" to society you are looking down on them. Some comments here are definitely over the top including yours. That does not make her contributions are meaningless. She had friends, family, a brother, co-workers that certainly felt she contributed something in their lives. You certainly have people in your life that feel that you contribute something positive in their lives. Based on your usual crass comments, probably not. To compare someone's contributions to society to the Pope or Mother Teresa, etc. is silly and offensive.I don't look down on her for being a pornstar. This has little to do with her specifically. It has more to do with people's reactions, some of which are over the top. She wasn't the Pope, she wasn't Mother Theresa, she wasn't Sully the airline pilot. My impression is most people who are really upset are doing it because they realize they won't get any more porn from her.
As usual, you're using an off the wall example and this thread will very likely be thrown off the rails by them. It's interesting that you don't think much about this person, yet still have so much to say about it. If you really think so little of this particular person, please take your thoughts elsewhere.Every industry employs people so the argument is moot. Is a drug kingpin a contributing member? Employs people, pays incomes. I think we'd all say no. Even someone employed in the tobacco industry. Sure they work and pay taxes. But they are part of an industry that creates products that slowly kill people (I am not saying porn is like tobacco).
She was a person I didn't know so there's no connection. She works in an industry that has no barriers to entry other than natural, God-given looks/anatomy (enhancements aside). She may have worked hard when she entered but it's not the same as an actor, singer, sports star, or anybody else who's invested years and money to train and be good at their craft. Similarly, if a famous model died, I wouldn't think much of it. I'd feel worse if she died from anorexia or some other type of issue that the modeling industry perpetuates.
I disagree...people are b********** online and will more often cross the line with what they say and do when behind a keyboard.sempel said:online bullying is nothing - you can ignore it, turn it off, etc. In person bullying is a problem and you cannot turn it off
A teenage girl might be able to log off twitter or facebook but the trashing of her would still continue.
OMFG you are the douche bags of douche bags, you are such a huge piece of shit, even cow shit doesn't want to touch you. Congrats on being the most disgusting human being this forum has ever fucking seen.Man, you have way too much invested in this. I wonder how you're able to type so much because one or both of your hands must be really sore from frequent use.
There are real contributors to society and those that really don't. Healthcare workers, safety workers, etc. are real contributors. Most honest, hardworking people are contributors. Artists, painters, musicians, some are real contributors. Some actors are real contributors. Their contributions either improve society or keep it running.
Others do not contribute anything substantial. Some actors cannot act, their movies are terrible (mainly because of them). So I care nothing about them if they are gone. Does Kim Kardashian contribute anything to this world? I'd say no. People on shows like Real Housewives? No. People in porn? No. It's not that many, myself included, aren't benefiting from them doing what they do, but me watching a porn scene doesn't affect me to the point where I care about the star, her life, and will get upset if she's gone. Others may get more attached but I don't. I don't think badly of them or wish harm upon them but I won't become severely depressed if they no longer produce whatever they produce.
I agree with many of the things you've said. I've bolded the statement that says it all - there is no talent required to be in porn. You may need to have a certain attractiveness (GND or DDG), you may want to be in good shape, but for a woman, I think anyone can do it (of course with some physical and mental fortitude) if they want. So forgive me if I don't care if a pornstar retires, quits, or dies. Their contribution to society is nothing substantial, it won't be remembered, it's not really art (although some of it is moving more in that direction).
I also have to say that online bullying is bad and some people are very impressionable, but online bullying is nothing - you can ignore it, turn it off, etc. In person bullying is a problem and you cannot turn it off (an adult can stay in but a child who's being bullied at school still has to go to school). That said, people should not bully others online as if it doesn't matter - you are still a bully. I see no problem with disagreement, even heated argument but cursing the other person, attacking, threatening, it's all wrong and anybody who does so is a bully.
agreed. I don't put her though into the same category as a real artist or person who's life is over. A sports star who's hand is cut off will not work. An artist who goes blind cannot work. An adult actress who is shunned by the industry - her life isn't over. However, I can see the fact that her having mental issues may have magnified this belief and led her to suicide. Same thing with the bullying. A normal person can ignore or turn it off. But for others, that approval is everything and the sudden disapproval can set them off.
There is also the fear that those trash talking her (and those who merely had a difference of opinion) would destroy the career she worked so hard to build and that she loved.I disagree...people are b********** online and will more often cross the line with what they say and do when behind a keyboard.
A teenage girl might be able to log off twitter or facebook but the trashing of her would still continue.
There are different possibilities when someone gets bullied online. They may not know about it, they may know but ignore it, they may know and read it, or they may know and try and defend against it. Then the person goes out into the world and either people treat him/her normally or the bullying persists.I disagree...people are b********** online and will more often cross the line with what they say and do when behind a keyboard.
A teenage girl might be able to log off twitter or facebook but the trashing of her would still continue.
I know it's easier said than done but if people are sending you messages that are hurtful, you can ignore or block them. If they still persist, change your email address. Close down your social media accounts. A lot of bullying continues because the target gets involved, reacts, etc. Obviously some different (and in some cases drastic) steps need to be taken if the bullying continues in person. But last time I checked, nobody needs Facebook. Nobody needs twitter. You choose to use these types of media.
I agree about your comment on crossing the line. There was a radio show today and one of the comments from the host was that people have used the internet as a buffer when lashing out. Many of the things people post online they would never say in person to the target. So the internet gives power to the meek, gives power to the bully. There's always a downside to things.
I think it's sad that someone who had mental issues was bullied through the internet. That's how society has evolved. Social media gives one an outlet for sharing his/her opinions but at the same time, provides others the opportunity to respond and attack. Sadly, many people go overboard with their responses. Nothing wrong with polite disagreement, maybe even heated argument. But the moment people start hurling insults or threats, it's clearly crossed the line. What is shameful is the reaction of the few that would threaten to kill her for refusing to work with certain actors. Absolutely nutty.
What do you want to hear? Takes one to know one? I'm trying to be like you everyday but I haven't reached that level of low just yet? I'm guessing when the porn industry has to shut down whenever there's a STD scare you crawl into a dark corner and cry.OMFG you are the douche bags of douche bags, you are such a huge piece of shit, even cow shit doesn't want to touch you. Congrats on being the most disgusting human being this forum has ever fucking seen.
I have seen your reviews and originally I thought they were funny/interesting. Looking back, I realize it probably takes a sick mind to come up with the stuff you say to women when you are with them.
An adult film star killed herself. That is tragic along with all the reasons behind it.
One thing I find sickening is all the homophobes that are using August Ames to smear the entire GLBT community or even just exploit it in the whole never culture war. I'm fucling sick of it all.
This time the homo's started it though. They couldnt leave well enough alone and just accept they got rejected by a single pornstar. Their precious feelings were forever, irreparably hurtOne thing I find sickening is all the homophobes that are using August Ames to smear the entire GLBT community or even just exploit it in the whole never culture war. I'm fucling sick of it all
I have been saying this for MONTHS!!!!! It is not hard to really know what type a person is by the things that he says. He calls me a troll, lol. He is just a very lonely person and some of the women here dare to call him a friend, well, we certainly now know what he thinks of women in the business. Pretty sad and lonely person but hey, many of us are but not to the extent that he is. Anyone who lives for Terb is pretty pathetic. And if there is anyone who exists because of Terb, it is him.Wow you are a way bigger asshole than I/we thought you were.
Doesnt matter at all what she does. She is a human being. She is someones daughter (in this case perhaps maybe pre-death that relationship was a root cause to the outcome) but guaranteed now that she is gone her parents are feeling it. Might be someones sister. Definitely many friends. She woke up, ate, showered, went to work just like you and I do. Maybe it isnt a profession that you deem to be credible, but you are also on this board reviewing, positively sometimes people in the industry. Pretty sure I read somewhere that you also hung out or dated a MPA but maybe I am mistaken. That makes you a pretty huge hypocrite my friend. You seem to like girls who aren't major contributors to this world.
Still shaking my head at the shit that comes out of your mouth.
Very sad. Depression is very difficult at the best of times.
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Did you serious just suggest that because she was only a lowly sex worker her life somehow meant less? I sincerely hope you rethink that stance. Do you have any idea how many men sex workers help everyday? How many men on the border of depression that we help get through? How many that have miserable home or work lives that we offer a brief respite away from stresses that could be harmful to them? Sex workers are sexual and intimacy therapists and do so much under appreciated work at such high expense to their own health and safety. I can't believe you'd actually write that.
Man, you have way too much invested in this. I wonder how you're able to type so much because one or both of your hands must be really sore from frequent use.
There are real contributors to society and those that really don't. Healthcare workers, safety workers, etc. are real contributors. Most honest, hardworking people are contributors. Artists, painters, musicians, some are real contributors. Some actors are real contributors. Their contributions either improve society or keep it running.
Others do not contribute anything substantial. Some actors cannot act, their movies are terrible (mainly because of them). So I care nothing about them if they are gone. Does Kim Kardashian contribute anything to this world? I'd say no. People on shows like Real Housewives? No. People in porn? No. It's not that many, myself included, aren't benefiting from them doing what they do, but me watching a porn scene doesn't affect me to the point where I care about the star, her life, and will get upset if she's gone. Others may get more attached but I don't. I don't think badly of them or wish harm upon them but I won't become severely depressed if they no longer produce whatever they produce.
I agree with many of the things you've said. I've bolded the statement that says it all - there is no talent required to be in porn. You may need to have a certain attractiveness (GND or DDG), you may want to be in good shape, but for a woman, I think anyone can do it (of course with some physical and mental fortitude) if they want. So forgive me if I don't care if a pornstar retires, quits, or dies. Their contribution to society is nothing substantial, it won't be remembered, it's not really art (although some of it is moving more in that direction).
I also have to say that online bullying is bad and some people are very impressionable, but online bullying is nothing - you can ignore it, turn it off, etc. In person bullying is a problem and you cannot turn it off (an adult can stay in but a child who's being bullied at school still has to go to school). That said, people should not bully others online as if it doesn't matter - you are still a bully. I see no problem with disagreement, even heated argument but cursing the other person, attacking, threatening, it's all wrong and anybody who does so is a bully.
agreed. I don't put her though into the same category as a real artist or person who's life is over. A sports star who's hand is cut off will not work. An artist who goes blind cannot work. An adult actress who is shunned by the industry - her life isn't over. However, I can see the fact that her having mental issues may have magnified this belief and led her to suicide. Same thing with the bullying. A normal person can ignore or turn it off. But for others, that approval is everything and the sudden disapproval can set them off.
Ah, another case of misinterpretation. Unfortunately, my the point I am trying to make is being lost.Did you serious just suggest that because she was only a lowly sex worker her life somehow meant less? I sincerely hope you rethink that stance. Do you have any idea how many men sex workers help everyday? How many men on the border of depression that we help get through? How many that have miserable home or work lives that we offer a brief respite away from stresses that could be harmful to them? Sex workers are sexual and intimacy therapists and do so much under appreciated work at such high expense to their own health and safety. I can't believe you'd actually write that.
Some people have expressed regret that she died. Fair enough. She died because she killed herself and that's a bad thing. However, some people have expressed over-the-top sorrow to the point that their lives are severely affected. These people did not know her personally, they aren't her friends or family, they are only upset because she's unable to continue producing porn. Has the world ended? No.
Please do not presume to think that my belief that porn is nothing much equates to me thinking less of other sex workers. Many of the women I've met are nice, humble, interesting people and I would feel bad if any of them passed away, especially if it was due to being part of the industry. You make some fair points about some of the benefits that workers offer men. But can we agree that porn does not provide the same benefits? It's just a form of stimulation to get people aroused. There is no artistic benefit to it, it doesn't require any major skill to produce, direct, write, or star in it. It will not be remembered (except for Deep Throat which was considered legendary). The entire gonzo group is literally people who just have sex.
You have a bad habit of putting your foot in your mouth and love claiming misrepresentation of your points. You did not directly say that you think less of sex workers. But you did say that: "There are real contributors to society and those that really don't. Healthcare workers, safety workers, etc. are real contributors. Most honest, hardworking people are contributors. Artists, painters, musicians, some are real contributors. Some actors are real contributors. Their contributions either improve society or keep it running." You are, in fact, inferring, that Ms. Ames has contributed nothing to society. So I'm not surprised that Jasmina took it to mean that you think less of sex workers.Ah, another case of misinterpretation. Unfortunately, my the point I am trying to make is being lost.
Some people have expressed regret that she died. Fair enough. She died because she killed herself and that's a bad thing. However, some people have expressed over-the-top sorrow to the point that their lives are severely affected. These people did not know her personally, they aren't her friends or family, they are only upset because she's unable to continue producing porn. Has the world ended? No.
Please do not presume to think that my belief that porn is nothing much equates to me thinking less of other sex workers. Many of the women I've met are nice, humble, interesting people and I would feel bad if any of them passed away, especially if it was due to being part of the industry. You make some fair points about some of the benefits that workers offer men. But can we agree that porn does not provide the same benefits? It's just a form of stimulation to get people aroused. There is no artistic benefit to it, it doesn't require any major skill to produce, direct, write, or star in it. It will not be remembered (except for Deep Throat which was considered legendary). The entire gonzo group is literally people who just have sex.
Realistically, millions of people around the world including YOU are not "contributing" all that much. So get off your high horse.
Cyber bullying is a very serious social condition. The left do it particularly well. I've witnessed it when I got into a bit of a twitter spat with John Catucci. And more recently with the BLM anarchist supporters.
Those who did this to AA were mostly on the left. Gay Trans advocates who got offended because she made a controversial statement that they deemed as being homophobic. Turns out there is some truth to what she stated.
That being said she had mental illness. She abused marijuana (and possibly other drugs). There were physical changes with recent weight loss which could suggest an eating disorder. She needed to get help. Now it's too late.
Those who did this to AA were mostly on the left. Gay Trans advocates who got offended because she made a controversial statement that they deemed as being homophobic. Turns out there is some truth to what she stated.
That being said she had mental illness. She abused marijuana (and possibly other drugs). There were physical changes with recent weight loss which could suggest an eating disorder. She needed to get help. Now it's too late.
The only thing that's correct is the last part. As such, I do not expect an outpouring of sympathy if I'm suddenly gone from this world. Sure people who know me would be upset and if the circumstances of my death were tragic (say hit by a drunk driver), I'm sure people would feel a little bad and there would be a whole debate on drinking and driving. But people's reactions have been over the top.You have a bad habit of putting your foot in your mouth and love claiming misrepresentation of your points. You did not directly say that you think less of sex workers. But you did say that: "There are real contributors to society and those that really don't. Healthcare workers, safety workers, etc. are real contributors. Most honest, hardworking people are contributors. Artists, painters, musicians, some are real contributors. Some actors are real contributors. Their contributions either improve society or keep it running." You are, in fact, inferring, that Ms. Ames has contributed nothing to society. So I'm not surprised that Jasmina took it to mean that you think less of sex workers.
Realistically, millions of people around the world including YOU are not "contributing" all that much. So get off your high horse.
Now that she's gone, is there no more porn? Will the industry come to a stand still? Were her scenes so magical and impactful that other porn is no longer acceptable to watch because it's 2nd class? If there's a porn class taught today are her scenes teachable because there is something special about them?
Feel bad because a woman died. Feel bad because she committed suicide. Feel bad because she had a tragic life filled with abuse. Don't feel bad because she's not around to make more porn.
Very well said and that is why many men who see women working in the industry, appreciate them for so much more than the sexual experiences that they provide. There are so many stories that I could tell that women in the business have told me but I am sure guys here know the real "value" that they provide others. And then on the other hand, you have those who are totally clueless who cannot understand this. They are just sad individualsDid you serious just suggest that because she was only a lowly sex worker her life somehow meant less? I sincerely hope you rethink that stance. Do you have any idea how many men sex workers help everyday? How many men on the border of depression that we help get through? How many that have miserable home or work lives that we offer a brief respite away from stresses that could be harmful to them? Sex workers are sexual and intimacy therapists and do so much under appreciated work at such high expense to their own health and safety. I can't believe you'd actually write that.
The problem is people, especially special interest groups, refuse to accept any criticism against the people they represent and automatically play the XXXX card. If you criticize gay people, you are labelled a homophobe. If you criticize an ethnic group (i.e. a group that supports a certain ethnicity like BLM), you are considered a racist.Cyber bullying is a very serious social condition. The left do it particularly well. I've witnessed it when I got into a bit of a twitter spat with John Catucci. And more recently with the BLM anarchist supporters.
Those who did this to AA were mostly on the left. Gay Trans advocates who got offended because she made a controversial statement that they deemed as being homophobic. Turns out there is some truth to what she stated.
That being said she had mental illness. She abused marijuana (and possibly other drugs). There were physical changes with recent weight loss which could suggest an eating disorder. She needed to get help. Now it's too late.
I can't remember which union was doing this but one was fighting against cameras being put up where the workers worked. Obviously cameras have the benefit of safety, ability to see what happened, etc. But the union was fighting against it, knowing the footage could be used against its members for doing something bad. Well that means the union wants to protect its members when they don't do their jobs properly. Now, if you say the union is wrong, you would automatically be labeled as anti-union, although clearly you are not anti-union but against this specific stance they have taken because it's more likely wrong than right.
What does it have to do with you if people's reactions here have been over the top?! Your comments on this and many other threads have been interpreted as equally over the top. If people want to feel bad about this particular person, let them.The only thing that's correct is the last part. As such, I do not expect an outpouring of sympathy if I'm suddenly gone from this world. Sure people who know me would be upset and if the circumstances of my death were tragic (say hit by a drunk driver), I'm sure people would feel a little bad and there would be a whole debate on drinking and driving. But people's reactions have been over the top.
Now that she's gone, is there no more porn? Will the industry come to a stand still? Were her scenes so magical and impactful that other porn is no longer acceptable to watch because it's 2nd class? If there's a porn class taught today are her scenes teachable because there is something special about them?
Feel bad because a woman died. Feel bad because she committed suicide. Feel bad because she had a tragic life filled with abuse. Don't feel bad because she's not around to make more porn.
I'm still wondering why you have so much to say about a person and industry you couldn't care less about. Find somewhere else to play if this means so little to you.
You've actually highlighted another difference between pornstars and other SW's. It is much safer for a pornstar to do what she does. Controlled environment, STI testing, others around - it's actually quite safe. I will say it's not the safest as some pornstars have admitted that they were assaulted on set, either before/after or during (e.g. you don't do COF, guy knows this, and still he shoots all over your face). But overall, much safer. That is actually why I have respect to SP's and MPA's and other SW's that are alone with random strangers who, for the most part, are decent but could easily be nuts and be dangerous.Did you serious just suggest that because she was only a lowly sex worker her life somehow meant less? I sincerely hope you rethink that stance. Do you have any idea how many men sex workers help everyday? How many men on the border of depression that we help get through? How many that have miserable home or work lives that we offer a brief respite away from stresses that could be harmful to them? Sex workers are sexual and intimacy therapists and do so much under appreciated work at such high expense to their own health and safety. I can't believe you'd actually write that.
When a woman dies, it is always considered a tragic loss. Specifically, a woman.
Her claims to fame is saying "stick it in me" and lying there, doing nothing. This is a symptom of Western society, a bunch of people getting big money, while doing nothing.
A little crude but on some level, you and I are on the same page. It's always the same boobs too that curse, whine, and cry foul. They don't see the bigger picture, they get hung up on the little stuff trying to prove they are right, or in some cases, hoping to prove me wrong.He has a right to his opinion. You are the one "playing" with him, not the other way around.
Here's a bright idea - make a solid argument and back it up. Whenever I disagree, I at least provide an explanation for it rather than just saying I'm right, you're wrong.
Haha! You are so blinded by your rage and inability to read that you are cursing me when I didn't even make a comment. I'm flattered on some level (plus it proves I'm right about your limited intelligence).Shut the fuck up, Sempel
Ironically, your rage is probably similar to some of the people who responded negatively to AA for her choice not to perform with gays/bi's/crossovers/etc and likely contributed to her death.
