Russia willing to offer written security guarantees to Europe - Putin
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The premise is that Russia wants to expand and Europe is in the way. The question was "why not start with former Soviet Republics, Middle East or Asia". You suggested that Russia already started with former Soviet Republics and listed Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.
1) Transnistria separated from Moldova in 1989 and declared independence from Moldova in 1999, before the fall of Soviet Union and asked Russia for protection. It's status has been in limbo ever since.
2) Abhazia and Ossetia separated from Georgia after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Georgia, supported by US and NATO, started a conflict in 2008 by attacking Ossetia and was quickly put in it's place by Russia. All those countries are still independent to this day.
3) Ukraine would be the only exception, but it wasn't invaded for the purpose of expansion and everybody knows this.
History is quite the discipline, constantly being interpreted and re-interpreted in different contexts.
But I get it, Russia is innocent little puppy.
I think very few people would argue Russia the side who invades the other
country in the war is innocent. It is the fear mongering propaganda
from the side of the innocent and its "allies" who want to dupe sheeple to
believe invasion of the rest of Europe will follow after Ukraine is defeated
that is a bigger threat to world peace than Putin.
country in the war is innocent. It is the fear mongering propaganda
from the side of the innocent and its "allies" who want to dupe sheeple to
believe invasion of the rest of Europe will follow after Ukraine is defeated
that is a bigger threat to world peace than Putin.
The path to peace in Ukraine will be tortuous
Owen Matthews
In order to impose peace terms, you first need to win the war. That fundamental principle seems, for the moment, to elude Ukraine’s European allies. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has taken the more pragmatic – some would say more cynical – view that Ukraine will never defeat Russia and therefore needs to make the best of a bad lot. Trump’s strategy for peace in Ukraine has been to browbeat Volodymyr Zelensky into approving a deal acceptable to Vladimir Putin. In fairness, Trump has also gone some way to putting the squeeze on the Kremlin too, by sanctioning the oil giants Rosneft and Lukoil, authorising the Ukrainians to use US–provided long-range weapons against Russian targets, and threatening to provide Kyiv with Tomahawk cruise missiles.
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Owen Matthews
In order to impose peace terms, you first need to win the war. That fundamental principle seems, for the moment, to elude Ukraine’s European allies. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has taken the more pragmatic – some would say more cynical – view that Ukraine will never defeat Russia and therefore needs to make the best of a bad lot. Trump’s strategy for peace in Ukraine has been to browbeat Volodymyr Zelensky into approving a deal acceptable to Vladimir Putin. In fairness, Trump has also gone some way to putting the squeeze on the Kremlin too, by sanctioning the oil giants Rosneft and Lukoil, authorising the Ukrainians to use US–provided long-range weapons against Russian targets, and threatening to provide Kyiv with Tomahawk cruise missiles.
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The path to peace in Ukraine will be tortuous
In order to impose peace terms, you first need to win the war. That fundamental principle seems, for the moment, to elude Ukraine’s European allies. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has taken the more pragmatic – some would say more cynical – view that Ukraine will never defeat Russia and...
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Russia has had an influence out of proportion to its actual power and strength by causing fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) in the West. It makes its own house look bigger and nicer by vandalizing and destroying the houses of others. They are MASTERS, the BEST at of propaganda and bullshit bullying. But when push comes to shove, they always lose in the end. Because they are not as fundamentally strong as they want you to beleive, or as they themselves believe.
They are just shit disturbers.
Russia "JUST received" a proposal they created themselves. The US just added the rebuilding grifting clauses in it.
It has ZERO chance of going anywhere. And Russia knows it. They are, as ususal, just fucking with the people who are aniive to the Russian mentality and way of doing things. They take things at face value, through the lens of western values of lawetc. Russia abides by no rules. Excpet those of ONE man. It was Stalin for a while, now Putin.
That is an absurd position. Why would Russia create a proposal that allows Ukraine to have an army of 800K and to use 100B of their money for reconstruction?
It didn't work out well because Poland wasn't getting paid billions in
aid and weapons to fight Adolph Hitler. This time around things will
work out. Just keep up with sending money to janitor Winston Churchill
of our time to fight to the last man.
aid and weapons to fight Adolph Hitler. This time around things will
work out. Just keep up with sending money to janitor Winston Churchill
of our time to fight to the last man.
Putin's response for the last 3 years. And yet he has destroyed more of the Russian state than he has of Ukraine.
And for what? Winning?
Howzabout Russia just fuck off, go home, leave Ukraine alone and try to rebuild their own destroyed country, economy and society?
You know why? Because Putin will be killed for his foolish delusional venture.
It didn't work out well because Poland wasn't getting paid billions in
aid and weapons to fight Adolph Hitler. This time around things will
work out. Just keep up with sending money to janitor Winston Churchill
of our time to fight to the last man.
Zelensky has proven to be be more of a man and leader than the barbaric scumbag Putin and cretinous fraudster conman Trump. And yes, he is trying to mop up the chaotic mess these fuckwad egomaniac psychopaths have created.
