safe gfe???????/

[LeatherDoll]

Really, and how many of these women KNEW ...

I go by my version... based on the girls I have dated in the past. A GFE to me, must allow DFK and BBBJ... I mean really... would you go out with a girl that would not kiss??? As for the BBBJ, I have never had a girlfriend that performed CBJ, it was always BBBJ.

How many of your "real" dates would be so willing if you were conscientious enough to let her know you true sexual history which includes bb activities with sps? DO you ever bother to tell them?

More interestingly - do the women you date ever bother to ask about your sexual history at all before they engage in activities with you? And without your offering it, I am absolutely sure that 95% of women would never even consider that the men they know have participated in the sex trade industry - so presuming that her not asking (specifically about this) means she doesn't care seems pretty inconsiderate.

How often have you been a part of a group of friends/social circle where all possible dating combinations have been explored? How often have these serial monogomists bothered to engage in safe sex? How many little things got around - herpes? std? crabs? hep?

Truth is, you men should think twice about asking for bb activities with your sp. If she does it with you, she does it with others. And do you really trust the men she's been sleeping with to be clean, especially if they are seeking bb services? Because if she gets an std, you can bet she got it from a client - they don't simply develop on their own!

Its your body - you decide.

As for the DFK - that's a two way street. You better be damn clean and sweet if you expect it. Well, now that I think about it, I guess that goes for bj as well.

 

[Celia]

My agency uses the term "GFE" to suggest the girls are ok with kissing... BBJ has nothing to do with it. And even then, I don't kiss my clients unless copious amounts of mouthwash are involved, so there is no garentee of anything. As a matter of fact, there is never a garentee of anything. That is the legal basis upon which we are aloud to operate.

I always get emails and pm's that say "are you a gfe", and it is my impression that everyone has a different definition for that term.

Personally, I don't like the term.

 

[willie]

well i feel that with both homonger and celia,both weighing in on this point and actually both speaking from a lot of direct experience both as user and provider..that it is becoming clear that gfe,isnt something that actually defines anything other than the possibility of something,which you never really can predict, even dfk is indeed yummy,as celia pointed out,depends on the girls experience with your breath etc.
it is my opinion that both agencies and sps arent stating the obvious,that they cant predict ,your connection to an sp,in terms of gfe or not
,any sp that engages a client on an emotional level as well as sexual could be providing gfe,in my opinion,that this is never actually reviewed or expressed here has led me to ask this question,not dfk or bbbj,
example..i booked an hour with an agency girl who was all sfe sexually,after finishing this woman let me know that she actually hadnt had real sex with a boyfriend in a couple of years and that she felt that her job didnt allow this,but that she wanted this badly..could i accept her as a gfe?

 

[homonger]

example..i booked an hour with an agency girl who was all sfe sexually,after finishing this woman let me know that she actually hadnt had real sex with a boyfriend in a couple of years and that she felt that her job didnt allow this,but that she wanted this badly..could i accept her as a gfe?

Personally, I would say no, but what I would wish is that you simply describe the experience like you just did, and then let the reader decide whether or not the sp sounds interesting to him. That way we are going just with what actually happened, as opposed to with subjective labels.

 

[willie]

Personally, I would say no, but what I would wish is that you simply describe the experience like you just did, and then let the reader decide whether or not the sp sounds interesting to him. That way we are going just with what actually happened, as opposed to with subjective labels.

well your right i said no...based on the fact that i wasnt inspired at all,by her ,but was surprised at how she had slipped out of the everthing covered sexually ,into,being emotionally uncovered, so to speak,which didnt inspire a review...

 

[Quest4Less]

Truth is, you men should think twice about asking for bb activities with your sp. If she does it with you, she does it with others. And do you really trust the men she's been sleeping with to be clean, especially if they are seeking bb services? Because if she gets an std, you can bet she got it from a client - they don't simply develop on their own!

Its your body - you decide.

As for the DFK - that's a two way street. You better be damn clean and sweet if you expect it. Well, now that I think about it, I guess that goes for bj as well.

That's right - it's my body, my risk, my decision. And I am always freshly scrubbed with minty breath. I stand by my definition - a gfe will DFK and BBBJ. How can you possibly call her a girlfriend if she won't kiss?

 

[train]

Thank you Svend.

Someone who finally gets it. In this section they are all about the BBBJ and in the incall section we are discussing the dangers of a BBBJ. What a day!

HH

I disagree with you . The GFE description was simply an abbreviation of a package of services . That's all . The people who have corrupted it's meaning to suit their own marketing purposes are the ones that don't get it .

People are happiest if expectations are met . If that means condoms for bj's....great . If a sp is clear about that then a majority of her eventual clients will likely be people who want cbj's. Everyone leaves happy . Those that want BBBJ can also find what they want somewhere else.

It's marketing bullsh*t whereby agencies have co-opted the term that have caused the problem . Let's face it , it does sound more enticing doesn't it ?

We don't get it ? ....no .....you don't get it . You are the advertiser .If your message is not clear about what you are providing then you don't get it , sorry . If you don't provide BBBJ it's no big deal.....unless you persist in marketing yourself as a GFE experience. You do and you will have 50% of your customers confused and then blame them for being so.

One person who did "get it" was Sasha Jones . Very , very safe .....but she was up front with it . Very popular girl . It didn't hurt that she had a great personality.

Martini Girls sound as if they "get it" and I applaud them.

 

[train]

I always get emails and pm's that say "are you a gfe", and it is my impression that everyone has a different definition for that term.

Personally, I don't like the term.

You'd have to be awfully naive to not understand what they are asking.

If you don't kiss and don't provide bbbj just say so . Couch the terms any way you want ....the most popular is "everything safe , nothing uncovered and no kissing ".

Be honest and encourage your agency to do the same .

 

[train]

Its your body - you decide.

.

Exactly .

However, after reading your homepage a perspective customer has absolutely no idea on your DFK or bj policy . Why don't you just come out and state that everything is safe and ymmv on kissing ?
Wouldn't that truly allow everyone to decide ?

 

[Svend]

GFE = Girl Friend Experience, providing aspects of social and physical interaction beyond the act itself.

Straight from the TERB list of abbreviations. No mention of bareback sex of any kind as being GFE.

 

[train]

Straight from the TERB list of abbreviations. No mention of bareback sex of any kind as being GFE.

It has obviously been homoginized beyond being useful then . Whoever is responsible for this at Terb is missing a future in politics where bafflespeak is rewarded.

For this reason more desription is required .If the women are complaining about being coerced etc or are just tired about answering questions then it seems to me that the first step is to be clear that you don't provide this . Regardless of what the TERB definition is the simple fact is that if you advertise as a gfe provider with out explanation more potential customers will assume you provide DFK and BBBJ or be surprised and disappointed if you don't .Conversely you may miss out on clients that want to play it safe but assume the sp doesn't if she advertises as gfe .

In Montreal there is absolutely no question as to what it means and there are no agencies that advertise gfe that don't provide it ( the old definition ). Many of the HDH ones that also come to TO such as IN or Courtesans list by individual girl whether they are gfe or not .You can add Dangertous Curves to the list that describe the girls individually in this manner . Some are gfe and some are not .There are zero girls listed on these sites as gfe that don't provide bbbj. Similarly if you don't see gfe beside her name you can be guaranteed she does everything covered .It works well there doesn't seem to work well here . What does that tell people .

 

[Svend]

I guess they could add lots of caressing, hugs and sweet talk would be included, but I wouldn't expect any bareback BJ.

 

[Friends]

When I'm asked......

my response is "anything goes as long as it's and doesn't hurt" People seem to get it LOL

Kasey

 

[homonger]

GFE = Girl Friend Experience, providing aspects of social and physical interaction beyond the act itself.

Straight from the TERB list of abbreviations. No mention of bareback sex of any kind as being GFE.

One could argue that "aspects of... physical interaction beyond the act itself" could be read as activities such as dfk daty, and bbbj, but...

It has obviously been homoginized beyond being useful then . Whoever is responsible for this at Terb is missing a future in politics where bafflespeak is rewarded.

...As suggested, the powers that be at TERB have chosen an ambiguous stance which conceivably could satisfy anyone's definition of "GFE".

A mechanical BBBJ and perfunctory DFK is certainly not a GFE in my books. A passionate CBJ and sensuous LFK? Hell, yes!

Maybe so, but I would argue that "mechanical" and "perfunctory" anything is never going to be good, and that "passionate" BBBJ and "sensuous" DFK trumps "passionate" CBJ and "sensuous" LFK. I think your point that uncovered activities do not alone define a "GFE" in your book is fine, but again, you are wedging your subjective opinions in there. It would be far better, imo, if you just said "she provided BBBJ, but it seemed to me she wasn't into it" or "she provided CBJ and seemed really into it", than to ascribe the silly "GFE" label to either one of those experiences. Besides, one man's "mechanical" and "perfunctory" could be another man's "passionate" and "sensuous". It all depends on your frame of reference.

 

[danmand]

I think by now it is quite obvious, that the Terb membership is unwilling to agree on a definition for the term GFE, and it appears, even on the term Safe GFE.

Some of us thought that it would have been an easy way of defining services without getting into the messy details that is avoided by the agencies for obvious legal reasons. To be fair, there are a few agencies, I can think of HWE and TP, that use the terms in a, for me at least, reliable and predictable way.

The alternative to using the terms GFE and Safe GFE in reviews are, of course, to provide the details, i.e. LFK, DFK, BBBJ, CBJ etc, as is done on another board, which name I shall leave out here.

The issue really is all about predictability. Before we had Terb and other boards, it was hit and miss to find an SP who provided the services we are looking for. Now we have a few boards, that make the miss rate much, much smaller.

At the same time, we should of course all recognize, that an encounter with an SP is an intimate interaction between two people, and therefore never totally predictable (I have a few divorces under my belt). For any number of reasons, some of whom may be subconcious, an SP may, and rightly should fully be allowed, to limit some of the intimacy with a particular client.

 

[homonger]

On this point, I think you and I agree completely, homonger.

You do?? Darn! And I wanted to debate this tired old topic ad nauseum once again!

 

[willie]

You do?? Darn! And I wanted to debate this tired old topic ad nauseum once again!

well both you and strongbeau,have i believe sucessfully missed the non subjective point that if your hiring somebody to have sex,with shes most definately not your girlfriend,that bbbj dfk,arent going to make her one,but that they will feel better for you sexually,what i believe isnt being communicated by agencies especially newer ones,and newer sps,is that gfe means to me that an sp is capable of becoming or acting emotionally involved,with the clients, needs ,and being fully engaged and engaging,

ok any arguements?

 

[willie]

I’m really starting to see the frustration that lies in the community around these acronyms. I am going to start just listing the "menu" acronyms on the terb site when announcing a new girl. I have seen another agency do this and I’m sure they have the right idea and that other agencies should take their lead as well. This way it leaves no guesswork up to the client or embarrassing situations for the girl.

btw....Im going to Montreal this week and Im bringing you back something!!, hehehehe.

well you also might want to mention in your newspaper ads that the girl is a safe gf instead of just gf....whatever that means...so whos coming from montreal?

 

[Annessa]

OMG! IT NEVER ENDS!



I've just been sittin' back and reading into this thead for some time now. (a whole 3 days... on TERB that translates to 3 weeks) *hugs*

Would SGFE & GFE make you all happy. I mean... fark, not like there arn't enough to begin with that I keep becoming a 'newbie' from time to time.

I always believed what a GFE is.... is all that jazz and using protection. (Oh come on now... no looking or seeming surprised!) I've seen it posted it here many times. An escort that is the entire package. Smart, sexy and safe all at the same time. (imho)


Why must everything become so complicated and so detailed?

*Class Dismissed*






Annessa
xoxo

 

[LeatherDoll]

Who's homepage were you reading?

However, after reading your homepage a perspective customer has absolutely no idea on your DFK or bj policy . Why don't you just come out and state that everything is safe and ymmv on kissing ?
Wouldn't that truly allow everyone to decide ?

I can't say I'm sure about the homepage you read, but my two ads are quite clear - read it again if it is the Goddess Eryn Lacy ad you saw the limits and policies are explicit. I am not an sp, I am a Pro Domina.

I don't need to state everything is safe, it goes without saying. No one's mileage varies. The decision has already been made. That is my standard. Period.

_________________


BTW, its nice to know that you come to your appointments clean and with fresh breath, but that is not always the case, particularly from clients who are not too particularly concerned about their own health risks.

I would like to remind you that if you want to engage in DFK, you should refrain from brushing your teeth or flossing immediately before and after your appointment as these activities are likely to open tears in the mouth and gums. Wipe you teeth and use a good mouthwash instead - and don't forget to scrape your tongue!