Saudi Women Get The Vote
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Common courtesy requires you to finish the conversation on law #1
Or are you conceding defeat on that one ? if so there is no loss of face if that's the case, otherwise you are just being rude.
Much as I hate to break Godwin's law, I'll respond for your pleasure.
First, quote to be refuted:
The Israeli government has got nothing to do with it.
The Israeli government passed the law.
You lie.
Second:
Israel's marriage laws apply equally to all Israelis
Nope, the law applies only to Israeli's who marry Palestinians.
You lied again.
The law has been worded to avoid the racist label, but its effect is the same. It uses residency of the West Bank and Gaza instead of using the words Palestinian, but the effect is the same. And while officially there may be other routes to citizenship approval, the practical reality is that it almost never happens, which is why Amnesty and B'teselem and Haaretz have all called the law racist. Miscegenation laws are racist attempts to gain racial purity through, in this case through similar weasel wording as your arguments.
And once again, I'll take the word of Israel's Chief of Justice, Amnesty and B'teselem over your weasel words and rationalizations any day.
Racist law #1 has been proven.
Wrong. The Israeli government did NOT pass that law. That law was passed hundreds of years ago by the Ottoman Empire. When Israel declared independence it inherited the Ottoman regime of managing marriages through religious law and simply left it the way it was.
You know nothing. Every time you open your mouth you shoot yourself in the foot by saying something dumb like this.
No, it doesn't. The law does not apply to the Israelis who marry Palestinians. The law does not apply to any Israelis at all. The law applies to foreigners who want to become Israelis you 'tard.
No, the effect is not the same. It does not apply to a Palestinian living anywhere else. You may have noticed that Israel has repeatedly been attacked by people living in those territories, that Israel has constructed a security wall around them, and taken many other measures designed to limit the threat.
There is no miscegenation law. You cannot cite one. There isn't one on the books. There is an immigration law.
Stop lying, and lying so badly.
From the wiki page I've linked to repeatedly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_and_Entry_into_Israel_Law
It most definitely is a law, a racist law, now passed twice by the Israeli government.
The law is a miscegenation law, a law whose aim is the racial purity of Israel.
B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organization, joined in the criticism of the law. Yael Stein, a spokesman, said: "This is a racist law that decides who can live here according to racist criteria."
I await your apology.
Aforementioned law does not forbid marriages, something you claimed it did.
So apologize for that lie.
Aforementioned lie is only effective for 12 months from the date of passage. Has it been passed since 2008 ?
Don't worry, his arguments on #2 will be destroyed even easier since there are no laws banning Arabs citizens of Israel buying land in Israel.
Since he likes changing topics though, we can compare it to the Palestinian Authority laws that place selling land to Jews as a capital offense (and often the mere accusation is a cause of summary justice).
The law does not forbid marriage, it forbids the citizenship only of Palestinian spouses of Israeli's, I apologize for my inaccurate use of words. They can marry, they just can't live together in Israel.
The law was originally passed in 2003 and renewed in 2008. Since it was in practice between 2003 and 2008 it must be assumed that it is not a 'temporary' law.
You are a complete buffoon. I said that the laws on marriages being performed by religious authorities were not passed by Israel, but by the Ottoman empire. In your slimey and disgusting way you switched to talk about another law, as if everyone is as stupid as you are and would not notice the shell game you're trying to play.
For clarity:
1. There is no law against interfaith marriages in Israel. There is a regime of marriages being under the authority of religious law, that Israel inherited from the Ottoman Empire. Muslim authorities in Israel (and Jewish) who administer those religious marriages refuse to perform interfaith marriages. The Israel government has nothing to do with that.
2. On the second different topic of the law restricting immigration from territories Israel is at war with, that is an immigration law, not a miscegenation law. I don't think you know what the word "miscegenation" means. I think it is too big a word for you, and you are too stupid to understand it.
Specifically there is no law against marriages between Jews and Palestinians, which would be miscegenation.
Even with respect to the immigration law, foreign Palestinian spouses of Israeli citizens can obtain Israeli citizenship by marriage provided they do not reside in Gaza or the West Bank. So for example a Palestinian living in Canada, Europe, the USA, Saudi Arabia, or anyhwere else, can enter Israel by marriage just like anyone else can.
The law is specific to the territory Israel is at war with.
On the first point, that is not the issue or law we are talking about. You keep bringing it up to try to change the topic.
On the second point, it is a miscegenation law precisely because it deals with marriage. It uses the phrases 'residents of west bank and Gaza' instead of saying Palestinian to try to skirt the issue, as you do, but the effect is the same, since the populations of those areas are basically Palestinian. The law only effects Israeli's who marry Palestinians. While it doesn't outlaw marriage, it makes it impossible for married couples to live together in Israel and thus has the same result, so must be called a miscegenation law.
Israel has racist laws, to match their racist immigration policies to achieve their ethnic cleansing of Israel.
I never knew that not allowing some immigrants was ethnic cleansing.
Seriously dude. If you ever stopped to read what you wrote you'd understand why everyone except gryf has a low opinion of you.
Actually it prevents the "automatic" citizenship and residency status to residents of the West bank and Gaza who marry an Isreali citizen. Palestinians visit Isreal every day, and since Isreal is 263 miles long – North to South
and between 9 and 71 miles wide (East to West) commuting even the longest distance is not much of an effort.
(I think we here in Canada tend to forget just how big a country we are, and we tend to believe whenever someone travels to another country they must travel great distances, while true for us , for many countries that is not the case.)
Their laws are actually less strict than Canadian immigration laws which do not grant citizenship to anyone based on marriage alone, In fact if they were smart Israel would adopt the same policy as we do on this matter.
Yes, it was, that is why I quoted the whole email chain, to show people your slimey disgusting attempt to swap out the topic when you got schooled on the domestic law.
Again my original quote: Israel's marriage laws apply equally to all Israelis, all marriages are in the hands of religious authorities, and the reason why interfaith marriages have to take place outside the country is that neither the Muslim nor the Jewish religious authority is willing to perform marriages for interfaith couples. The Israeli government has got nothing to do with it.
You responded to that by saying the Israeli government passed the law, and you were just flat out fucking wrong. You have no idea what you are talking about. Every time you get owned on one of these topics you try and switch away to some different topic. In this case you tried to dodge admitting you were wrong about the domestic law by switching to talk about the immigration law.
I will respond about the immigration law in my next post. As for the domestic law--you were just wrong.
I'm amazed how many times you can repeat the same lie and think someone will believe it.
Once more, from the wiki page on the law:
it is a miscegenation law precisely because it deals with marriage.
I love when grog claims someone is lying and then as proof posts something that shows explicitly that he's full of crap.
Almost as good as his "I've run out of arguments and aren't going to repeat my other idiotic statement so I'll demand proof of the obvious" ploy.
Almost as good as his "I've run out of arguments and aren't going to repeat my other idiotic statement so I'll demand proof of the obvious" ploy.
Since this thread started with the granting of limited rights to women in Egypt, and has transformed into how bad Isreali marriages laws ( or rather lack of them ) are or are not I think it's only fair to present the following about Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia
Saudi women are prohibited from marrying non-Arabs except with a special dispensation from the King. Saudi men are permitted to marry whomever they choose.
Saudi Arabia
Saudi women are prohibited from marrying non-Arabs except with a special dispensation from the King. Saudi men are permitted to marry whomever they choose.
