Scathing Rant on New Orleans Disaster
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This has to be the worst peace of BS and doubletalk to come out of this tragedy so far.
It is caused by the welfare state, huh???? What welfare state???? If the governments gave a hoot about these poor people, they would not have been left to die or suffer. But of course, as BB says, they are now much better of ibn the astrodome then they ever were before.
Welfare state, my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is caused by the welfare state, huh???? What welfare state???? If the governments gave a hoot about these poor people, they would not have been left to die or suffer. But of course, as BB says, they are now much better of ibn the astrodome then they ever were before.
Welfare state, my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The crimes committed after the hurricane will most likely take years to bring to courts,but they will be brought to court.A natural disaster that hits lots of smaller communities over a large area are easier to maintain law and order.I myself was in Nashville in 1998 (I think) when the so called "mile wide" went through,causing damage.There was some looting and a lot of dumpster diving,fact is I never knew that term untill then.People that normally are law abiding become less then that,the people that are already crooks thrive in this environment,ie,Russia after communism.
The hurricane in NO was the first wave of the disaster,the flooding is the second,the third wave has already started,http://frenchconx.typepad.com/nawlins_katrina_update/ scroll down to heading,"second disaster",economical disaster,this will be worse then the other 2 combined,if not handled properly.
We had a trip planned for Naw'lins in Nov,and will still go,if they are open for business,if not,well we will see.
The hurricane in NO was the first wave of the disaster,the flooding is the second,the third wave has already started,http://frenchconx.typepad.com/nawlins_katrina_update/ scroll down to heading,"second disaster",economical disaster,this will be worse then the other 2 combined,if not handled properly.
We had a trip planned for Naw'lins in Nov,and will still go,if they are open for business,if not,well we will see.
You might have an argument if you actually used examples of proof for your non-specific statements. If you're referring to the hurricane victims who "sat around" at the Superdome and Convention centre, there was no running water and electricity. How are they supposed to "fight against this and do whatever it takes"?? I would love to see you go without food, water and sanitation for 5 days in the midst of 40,000 other people. In any disaster throughout the world, we have seen national governements arrive with aid. Are you suggesting the Katrina victims were wrong to expect that?
Through all your verbiose nonsense, you failed to mention that those who "prey on their fellow men" were rival gangs, specifically Crips and Bloods. If you believe the criminal activity described in the referenced text was common behaviour to more than these tiny delinquent groups, then you need to do more research before you make these general claims. The majority of the people I mentioned were elderly, women and children for crying out loud.
Poverty creates crime. Not Welfare. What you say was forty years in making has been hundreds of years in the making. It's America's dark side which America's turned a blind eye to for way too long. But it is completely transparent right now.
according to dictionary.com:Bobzilla said:
wel·fare Audio pronunciation of "welfare" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (wlfâr)
n.
1.
1. Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being.
2. Prosperity.
2. Welfare work.
3.
1. Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.
2. Corporate welfare.
pov·er·ty Audio pronunciation of "poverty" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pvr-t)
n.
1. The state of being poor; lack of the means of providing material needs or comforts.
2. Deficiency in amount; scantiness: “the poverty of feeling that reduced her soul” (Scott Turow).
3. Unproductiveness; infertility: the poverty of the soil.
4. Renunciation made by a member of a religious order of the right to own property.
BTW I'm Canadian. Funny, most Canadians I know know the difference.
I wonder how many people here have been in a major flood in a big city. I've been in only one, but it can be very deceptive. Like the one I experienced, most of the water rose during the first night in New Orleans. It was fairly slow because it was a breach at three specific points not the entire system. and eerily silent, perhaps rising at several inches to feet per hour depending on the location, and it just kept coming. Most of the people who didn't get out of New Orleans, and I think it needs to be emphasized the majority who stayed had no means to get out, went to bed on Monday night thinking the worst had passed and New Orleans had yet again dodged a bullet. They had no clue what was happening as they slept. That the governments, especially the federal government and FEMA were also asleep, and still so for days after, is inexcusable.
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This was brought up on Bill Maher's show last night. Someone mentioned that this whole thing happened in late August, early September. Most government bureaucrats in DC were on vacation, thanks to the healthy vacation packages govt workers get. And also, anyone who's spent any amount of time living in DC can tell you, DC is infamous for 3 day weekends. On Fridays, everyone just kind of disappears from work, if they even bother to show up at all.Asterix said:
analytic/synthetic
Definitions are not causes; I believe Bobzilla was making a causal claim -whether empirically true or not is a separate question. But you cannot refute it by merely defining discrete concepts.
I would hope that most North Americans would know that.
tarkovsky said:
Definitions are not causes; I believe Bobzilla was making a causal claim -whether empirically true or not is a separate question. But you cannot refute it by merely defining discrete concepts.
I would hope that most North Americans would know that.
You have to love the people who say, "Why didn't they all just leave?"
Main points, US GOV. knew this was coming and order manditory evacs. but didn't not go in themselves to evac. everyone. Poor people with no means to get out, no cars, no money for bus/air tickets, no evac for the jailers. I mean what a joke. What does manditory mean then? The US could have done more before floods hits and greatly more after. They could have gotten food there in 2 days not 5. They could have stepped up the evacs. They could have had order to their distrubution of supplies. It is a welfare state and people finally got to see just how low income, welfare getting people get treated all over national TV.
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Main points, US GOV. knew this was coming and order manditory evacs. but didn't not go in themselves to evac. everyone. Poor people with no means to get out, no cars, no money for bus/air tickets, no evac for the jailers. I mean what a joke. What does manditory mean then? The US could have done more before floods hits and greatly more after. They could have gotten food there in 2 days not 5. They could have stepped up the evacs. They could have had order to their distrubution of supplies. It is a welfare state and people finally got to see just how low income, welfare getting people get treated all over national TV.
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Glad to see that Canada got mentioned in there.
Here's a link to the Globe and Mail that Mr. Tracinski didn't mention for some reason though....
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...STORMCAN07/TPInternational/?query=coast+guard
Many things come to mind reading this article. For example, a burned out traffic light in a small town, or the sad destruction of a few blocks that was the world trade centre on 911 don't really compare to this one. (The traffic light comparison is absurd in fact, insulting even.) New Orleans has been wiped out. The entire city is under water. One can only speculate how people of one city or another would respond if their entire city or town was wiped out. I can't imagine what it would be like in Toronto under 20 feet of water. I'd like to think we'd be better than N.O., but who knows.
The behaviour of some people in N.O. is inexcusable, but so is letting hundreds of thousands of people twist in the wind for 5 days.
Very sad in so many ways to watch on TV. But then again, I am sitting in a dry place, probably wondering what to have for lunch. Like Mr. Tracinski is too I would imagine.
Here's a link to the Globe and Mail that Mr. Tracinski didn't mention for some reason though....
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...STORMCAN07/TPInternational/?query=coast+guard
Many things come to mind reading this article. For example, a burned out traffic light in a small town, or the sad destruction of a few blocks that was the world trade centre on 911 don't really compare to this one. (The traffic light comparison is absurd in fact, insulting even.) New Orleans has been wiped out. The entire city is under water. One can only speculate how people of one city or another would respond if their entire city or town was wiped out. I can't imagine what it would be like in Toronto under 20 feet of water. I'd like to think we'd be better than N.O., but who knows.
The behaviour of some people in N.O. is inexcusable, but so is letting hundreds of thousands of people twist in the wind for 5 days.
Very sad in so many ways to watch on TV. But then again, I am sitting in a dry place, probably wondering what to have for lunch. Like Mr. Tracinski is too I would imagine.
rolls eyez
the guy who wrote the article blaming "welfare states" for the chaos is an IDIOT! more the the point sounds like a raving right wing extremist idiot.
rolls eyes.... why ? why do people have to be soooo stoooooopiddddddddd ?????
the guy who wrote the article blaming "welfare states" for the chaos is an IDIOT! more the the point sounds like a raving right wing extremist idiot.
rolls eyes.... why ? why do people have to be soooo stoooooopiddddddddd ?????
And what's more, the evacuees at the Superdome were in fact cleaning up the grounds -- putting the rubbish in neat piles just to demontrate to the National Guard and anyone else passing that they had not lost their humanity or civility.
They put their children and handicapped on the front lines to show they were not only not a threat but a significant population in need of aid. The pathetic counterclaims are all the authorities have. They are never going to be able to account for their attrocious and seemingly intentional neglect. They thought they had a convenient opportunity to kill and bury a large portion of their nations welfare recipients. They didnt account for the evacuees to include productive and capable people ready to stand up and expose them.
Time for a new plan.
They put their children and handicapped on the front lines to show they were not only not a threat but a significant population in need of aid. The pathetic counterclaims are all the authorities have. They are never going to be able to account for their attrocious and seemingly intentional neglect. They thought they had a convenient opportunity to kill and bury a large portion of their nations welfare recipients. They didnt account for the evacuees to include productive and capable people ready to stand up and expose them.
Time for a new plan.
Out of curiousity....
There is so much attention for the disaster in New Orleans, especially based on the response of the world government(s) in comparison to the US Government.......
BUT....
This happens in other nations, third world countries, and it just goes by ignored....as you can see
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725113.800
I am not saying we should down play what happened in New Orleans. But please take a moment to ponder this.....and the aid that these countries get....
Would NATO Mobilize for them? 1000+ Dead in those nations..... what does NATO do?
Makes you think......
There is so much attention for the disaster in New Orleans, especially based on the response of the world government(s) in comparison to the US Government.......
BUT....
This happens in other nations, third world countries, and it just goes by ignored....as you can see
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg18725113.800
I am not saying we should down play what happened in New Orleans. But please take a moment to ponder this.....and the aid that these countries get....
Would NATO Mobilize for them? 1000+ Dead in those nations..... what does NATO do?
Makes you think......
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