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cunning linguist

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Gun control is not about confiscating guns or getting rid of guns.
That is a lie the NRA pushes.
Maybe gun control itself is a bad term to use.
That's funny, I could swear the Liberal Party of Canada has had a confiscation...er, I mean "mandatory buy back" scheme in place, they just can't seem to agree on what it will cost the tax payers for this false sense of security.

This only seems to apply to licensed gun owners; apparently criminals won't be able to sell their guns to the government.
 

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Oddly enough, this showed up on my TikTok feed just now:


Now imagine if every law abiding homeowner had to hand in their guns. Criminal gangs would have a field day and just start home invasions all around the country
I'm old enough to remember a time when parents took accountability for their sons actions.

This is just crazy that they're upset at the home owner.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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So then tell us, whats your ideal version of gun-control??
Why should I come up with any ideas?
Essentially who acquires weapons (I'd imagine you want to keep mentally ill, or people with the wrong temperament from acquiring weapons) and how they use them needs to be regulated and tracked.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Let me guess, you think Canadian criminals also drive to Indiana where they buy guns at retail, with allegedly no questions asked. :ROFLMAO:

A few years ago, Liberals tried to convince the public that criminal guns came from gun owners, which was false even back then, but now that they've painted themselves into a corner with orders-in-council we can see with our own eyes, what we've known all along. Responsible gun owners have nothing to do with gun violence.
No Liberals did not try to convince the public that criminal guns came from gun owners. That's just BS.
As you know, but may dishonestly refuse to acknowledge, a huge source of illegal weapons are legal avenues - straw purchases or theft of legal guns.
So control who acquires weapons, how they use them and track owners and their purchases - it may help reduce gun violence.
 
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That's funny, I could swear the Liberal Party of Canada has had a confiscation...er, I mean "mandatory buy back"
Yes confiscation and mandatory buy backs are very different.
And of course the goal is to reduce the number of guns in the country, so it is an effective method.
Australia is a great case study for this.
Less guns, less gun violence - that is just common sense.
 

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No Liberals did not try to convince the public that criminal guns came from gun owners. That's just BS.
As you know, but may dishonestly refuse to acknowledge, a huge source of illegal weapons are legal avenues - straw purchases or theft of legal guns.
So control who acquires weapons, how they use them and track owners and their purchases - it may help reduce gun violence.
"A huge source". :rolleyes:

A lie perpetuated by gun grabbers. Theft? That isn't a gun owner's fault, now is it?

Tracking? Thanks for supporting my argument regarding "progressive" hypocrisy; hope you support carding too, for consistency's sake.
 

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"A huge source". :rolleyes:

A lie perpetuated by gun grabbers. Theft? That isn't a gun owner's fault, now is it?

Tracking? Thanks for supporting my argument regarding "progressive" hypocrisy; hope you support carding too, for consistency's sake.
Are you worried about hunting rifles or guns designed only to kill other people?
 

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"A huge source". :rolleyes:

A lie perpetuated by gun grabbers. Theft? That isn't a gun owner's fault, now is it?

Tracking? Thanks for supporting my argument regarding "progressive" hypocrisy; hope you support carding too, for consistency's sake.
Yes, guns are initially purchased legally, and then diverted illegally through theft, straw purchases, or trafficking. That’s why stronger tracking and regulation are necessary.
And carding in what context?
Alcohol or tobacco purchases - sure.
Police stopping and asking people, even without PC - no.
Nothing inconsistent about it.
They are different situations so blanket solutions don't work.
 
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Yes, guns are initially purchased legally, and then diverted illegally through theft, straw purchases, or trafficking. That’s why stronger tracking and regulation are necessary.
And carding in what context?
Alcohol or tobacco purchases - sure.
Police stopping and asking people, even without PC - no.
Nothing inconsistent about it.
They are different situations so blanket solutions don't work.
Ah yes, the minimum six degrees of separation between initial owner and criminal, way into the future. Thanks for illustrating how weak that argument is.

So you're against police randomly checking up on individuals, unless those individuals are licensed gun owners with registered firearms. :rolleyes:

Yup, pretty inconsistent, same level of inconsistency as voter IDs. Don't worry, I was expecting as much.
 

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Are you worried about hunting rifles or guns designed only to kill other people?
I'm worried about a specific group of responsible citizens being constatlntly harassed and made to share blame when it isn't deserved.

Look at the gaslighting going on in this very thread; this transgender person was the stereotypical right winger...I can't even type that nonsense with a straight face.
 

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Ah yes, the minimum six degrees of separation between initial owner and criminal, way into the future. Thanks for illustrating how weak that argument is.

So you're against police randomly checking up on individuals, unless those individuals are licensed gun owners with registered firearms. :rolleyes:

Yup, pretty inconsistent, same level of inconsistency as voter IDs. Don't worry, I was expecting as much.
What are you talking about? Police randomly checking gun owners? Where did I say that?
I said who acquires weapons and how they use it needs to be regulated - and that has nothing to do with police doing random checks.
And whatever degree of separation, a major source for illegal weapons is through the legal route.
Reduce guns, reduce illegal guns, and reduce gun violence. That's just common sense.
 
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I'm worried about a specific group of responsible citizens being constatlntly harassed and made to share blame when it isn't deserved.
What a load of utter hyperbolic bullshit.
No one is being harassed.
Part of living in civilized society is to comply with regulatory laws for the greater good.
If one doesn't want to do that, they are free to take their guns and go somewhere else.
 

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I'm worried about a specific group of responsible citizens being constatlntly harassed and made to share blame when it isn't deserved.

Look at the gaslighting going on in this very thread; this transgender person was the stereotypical right winger...I can't even type that nonsense with a straight face.
That's like arguing car drivers are constantly hassled because they have to be licensed, insured, tested and obey street laws.
 
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What a load of utter hyperbolic bullshit.
No one is being harassed.
Part of living in civilized society is to comply with regulatory laws for the greater good.
If one doesn't want to do that, they are free to take their guns and go somewhere else.
Oh the irony; if people can't be bothered to show ID and explain their reason for being somewhere, they are free to go somewhere else...ring a bell?
 

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Oh the irony; if people can't be bothered to show ID and explain their reason for being somewhere, they are free to go somewhere else...ring a bell?
Yes, yes. If one solution is implemented for one problem, it needs to be implemented for everything else too, regardless of whether the solution works or not.
Otherwise it is "LiBeRaL hYpOcRiSy".
More like right wing lunacy.
 
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That's like arguing car drivers are constantly hassled because they have to be licensed, insured, tested and obey street laws.
When was the last time a car owner was charged with "unsafe storage" after having their vehicle stolen? Is it illegal to park on the driveway when a garage or underground parking is available? What about leaving gas in the tank when it's not in use?

Where's the confisc...er..."mandatory buy back" for gas powered vehicles, now that green shaming is en vogue?

I wish car owners and operators were treated like gun owners, it would be an eye opening experience.

And what about previous examples? When someone is carded and asked to explain their presence in a particular neighbourhood, it's "racist". If someone is asked to provide ID at a polling station, it's "discrimination". Yet here you are, wanting to do the same thing to gun owners.🤡
 

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When was the last time a car owner was charged with "unsafe storage" after having their vehicle stolen? Is it illegal to park on the driveway when a garage or underground parking is available? What about leaving gas in the tank when it's not in use?

Where's the confisc...er..."mandatory buy back" for gas powered vehicles, now that green shaming is en vogue?

I wish car owners and operators were treated like gun owners, it would be an eye opening experience.

And what about previous examples? When someone is carded and asked to explain their presence in a particular neighbourhood, it's "racist". If someone is asked to provide ID at a polling station, it's "discrimination". Yet here you are, wanting to do the same thing to gun owners.🤡
Wow, sure are a lot more rules for car owners, even though cars have actual useful roles for society.
Unlike handguns and automatic weapons.

Makes you sound whiny that there are rules at all, there aren't that many.
Is your freedom really dependant on you having multiple guns designed to kill other humans?
Why is that personal freedom more valuable than the freedom of the rest of society to live free from the fear that you or anyone else could be packing?
 

cunning linguist

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And whatever degree of separation, a major source for illegal weapons is through the legal route.
BULL. SHIT.

The fact that you have to resort to some blanket statement like, "Person A Bought it legally, then sold it to B...and now Z used it illegally" illustrates how weak your argument is.

But since someone brought up cars why don't we apply the same, flawed logic. When you sell a car, are you responsible for the future owner's (mis)use of it? Did you do a background check? Ask for a driver's abstract? Shit, did you even check if they were currently licensed or insured?
 

cunning linguist

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Wow, sure are a lot more rules for car owners, even though cars have actual useful roles for society.
Unlike handguns and automatic weapons.

Makes you sound whiny that there are rules at all, there aren't that many.
Is your freedom really dependant on you having multiple guns designed to kill other humans?
Why is that personal freedom more valuable than the freedom of the rest of society to live free from the fear that you or anyone else could be packing?
"There aren't that many", let me guess you have no clue what you're talking about. 🤡

Again, show me the last time a car owner was criminally charged for having their vehicle stolen. I'm still waiting....

My ownership of firearms doesn't affect anyone else's safety.

Don't like guns? Feel free to not own any.
 
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