Screw Calgary - Go Tampa

[Ranger68]

I'm all for intense, physical hockey. The play in this series is crossing the line. As I said, when three key players are knocked out by illegal or questionable hits, that's not "part of the game".

And Sutter has said that the Nieminen hit was, unequivocally, a two minute penalty, not five. I'm not sure what would constitute a major boarding call in his books, but drilling a guy head-first into the boards and drawing blood - well, I'd hope they'd call that a major. Sorry it might have cost them the game, but you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

I hope Kubina, Fedotenko, and Lecavalier aren't knocked out of the series by these acts of thuggery. THAT would be a shame.

 

[GlavaMan]

This is not women's hockey here, there is going to be contact. Lecavalier was cut from the hit & because his helmet popped off as the chin strap was way too loose. The Flames are in the final BECAUSE OF THEIR DESIRE!

 

[Goober Mcfly]

The Flames are in the final BECAUSE OF THEIR DESIRE!

I thought it was because they out-played Vancouver, Detroit and San Jose...

 

[GlavaMan]

And why did they out-play them Goob? DESIRE!!!

 

[Goober Mcfly]

No they had a hot goalie who outplayed the other team, so the entire team outplayed the other team because the one guy did good, silly.

 

[Ranger68]

This is not women's hockey here, there is going to be contact. Lecavalier was cut from the hit & because his helmet popped off as the chin strap was way too loose. The Flames are in the final BECAUSE OF THEIR DESIRE!

Oh, god, here we go!

Of course, it has nothing to do with SKILL or even LUCK. LOL Or even the fact that they OUTPLAYED THEIR OPPONENTS. No, it's all "desire".

*shaking my head*

In any case, just because there's going to be contact doesn't mean it's okay to drill someone from behind into the boards. I'd think that would have been f*cking well obvious. That kind of hit has NO PLACE IN HOCKEY AT ANY LEVEL.

 

[Ranger68]

You should have quit the first time, Goob - your first comment was more on the ball. In fact, it was absolutely correct.

You're back to your old tricks, though - insinuating that because Calgary outgoaltended their opponents that somehow this means that the team played like crap. LOL Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Ranger68]

"The Flames' patented penchant for committing numerous fouls on any given shift -- that largely went uncalled -- paid off in keeping the game close and low-scoring.

Ultimately, they crossed the line between rambunctious and belligerent and that lack of discipline cost them. The Lightning gambled that they could survive and beat the Flames at their own game, which in the end proved true. Yet, a game that promised so much more in terms of entertainment failed to build on the pace and flow of the first."

From SI. I agree - with everything. Including the dullness of that last game. "Best Stanley Cup Final in a long time", my ass.

 

[Leaffan1976]

Well aside from all the talk over the lack of discipline by the Flames and their inability to score in game 4 what is encouraging from the Flames side is they had some pretty good opportunities to score but came up short. Tampa Bay as many are suggesting and even I believe have a lot of offensive talent so I was actually surprised that the bolts were only able to get one goal!

Neminen looks like he may pay the price for his actions but I don't see it as a momentum change in favor of the Bolts. I think Calgary will overcome the criticism they are getting from their game 4 performance and will come out hard on Thursday.

Too bad the game isnt tomorrow and not Thursday but maybe that will give both teams a chance to recharge for a very crucial game 5! I agree with the comment that it has been the best Stanley Cup Final in a long time! In other recent finals I have fallen asleep watching the game or flip around for something else to watch lol.

Go Flames Go!!

 

[superquad1968]

...the best Stanley Cup Final in a long time!

People, last night's game was the biggest snoozefest since the colossal Leafs vs. Senators tilt. We only think that this is the best because it has a Canadian team in it.

The team with the best skill (Tampa) has been slowed down by the less talented team (Calgary). Sounds like the NHL to me.

SQ

 

[The Doctor]

I'm having a hard time understanding why they even have five minute majors for anything other than fighting anymore. Because if you get a 5 minute major for elbowing, cross checking, high sticking etc. everyone calls for a suspension. A five minute penalty was sufficient for the hit on Lecavalier.

And Ranger it's quite possible Iginla did what he did because he knew one of the T-Bay defensemen (Dan Boyle I believe) convinced him to stay down to draw the major penalty. in my books that lacks class.

 

[Leaffan1976]

Both teams have talent but I still think Tampa has something to prove that they are the more talneted team. What keeps people watching a sporting event or a movie for instance is the constant excitment it brings and the twists and turns. Like I have stated before the trap game that won the cup for New Jersey last year is not gonna keep peoples interest in the game. What fans want is speed, open ended hockey and so far that has been evident in this series. So it is IMO the best Stanley cup I have seen in a while! What is a bonus is that a Canadian team in Calgary is there. If it was Tampa Bay and another western conference team that bring the same excitment I would still watch it!

Go Flames Go!!

 

[boxers]

earth to dickranger

do people ignore u in the real world. they must f/ u to occupy half the posts on this thread. heck u even commented 3 times in a row on this page, w/out any interjection by others. now i know why u put people on ignore, it's because others do so to u in the real world and u definitely have nothing intelligent to say.

u attention seeking loser, get a life!

what do the voices in ur head tell u?!? euthanasia maybe the only way to save any dignity u have left. i have yet to see anything intelligent out u other than a bunch of bs elementray type comments. they're hitting too hard... they're not playing nice... we should all be friends... why doesn't anyone pay attention to me... am i really this much of a loser... most of these queries must enter ur daily thought process. do us all a favour and get f@cked, in every which way. now go scrounge up those pennies from ui or welfare and get mr happy taken care of, u certifiable loser.

nice tagline, is that supposed to be amusing to anyone but urself? just shows the level of ur intelligence or lack thereof.

oh yeah, and ignore this...

reading dickranger68 posts - waste of time and space
level of intelligence dickranger68 posts - are u kidding, is this what they call an oxymoron
responding to dickrangers posts - must stop teasing the special kids
dickrangers responses to comments requiring his vast intellect - duh! i think i'll put u on ignore (seem to do this quite a bit)
dickranger getting it from behind - priceless

done u w/ here loser.

 

[Ranger68]

People, last night's game was the biggest snoozefest since the colossal Leafs vs. Senators tilt. We only think that this is the best because it has a Canadian team in it.

The team with the best skill (Tampa) has been slowed down by the less talented team (Calgary). Sounds like the NHL to me.

SQ

Precisely.

 

[Ranger68]

I'm having a hard time understanding why they even have five minute majors for anything other than fighting anymore. Because if you get a 5 minute major for elbowing, cross checking, high sticking etc. everyone calls for a suspension. A five minute penalty was sufficient for the hit on Lecavalier.

And Ranger it's quite possible Iginla did what he did because he knew one of the T-Bay defensemen (Dan Boyle I believe) convinced him to stay down to draw the major penalty. in my books that lacks class.

Wow, that's a pretty long bridge to cross - you "suspect" that a guy's lying on the ice faking it so you're going to berate him.

What bullshit.

Not every major penalty elicits calls for suspension. This one has, and should.

Frankly, the majors aren't called enough. In the "old days", any hit like that - or a high stick, or an elbow, or a slash - which drew blood would have AUTOMATICALLY netted a five minute major and a game misconduct. Since they added the "four minute" call, these days, the only times they call the major is when the foul is egregious - thus, the call for further action.

Nieminen should be suspended.

 

[Ranger68]

Both teams have talent but I still think Tampa has something to prove that they are the more talneted team. What keeps people watching a sporting event or a movie for instance is the constant excitment it brings and the twists and turns. Like I have stated before the trap game that won the cup for New Jersey last year is not gonna keep peoples interest in the game. What fans want is speed, open ended hockey and so far that has been evident in this series. So it is IMO the best Stanley cup I have seen in a while! What is a bonus is that a Canadian team in Calgary is there. If it was Tampa Bay and another western conference team that bring the same excitment I would still watch it!

Go Flames Go!!

Tampa finished with more points, and has had more points than Calgary for the last two years (this year +12, last year +20). If this doesn't convince you that Tampa is the more skilled team, I don't know what will.

Calgary is surviving, like many playoff teams before them, on interference through the neutral zone, counterattack, and goaltending. If you took away the first part of that strategy, I suspect they wouldn't have made it this far.

 

[Ranger68]

Yes, they did.

I wish they weren't so dependent on crappy hockey to do it.

 

[Leaffan1976]

Tampa finished with more points, and has had more points than Calgary for the last two years (this year +12, last year +20). If this doesn't convince you that Tampa is the more skilled team, I don't know what will.

Calgary is surviving, like many playoff teams before them, on interference through the neutral zone, counterattack, and goaltending. If you took away the first part of that strategy, I suspect they wouldn't have made it this far.

Tampa's Stats are quite impressive, Well consider this If Kiprusoff was healthy the full regular season its quite possible calgary would of won the presidents trophy and not Detroit. But that was regular season.

Calgary has deserved the two wins in this series and every win this playoffs to get them this far. Sure Calgary may be the underdog in this series and it may be easier for some to point out why tampa better deserves the cup but the wins that Calgary has gotten has shown how good they are even though they finished 6th in the west. Right now its anybody's win of the cup but Calgary has not given up and is determined to show they are the better team. If they dont win the cup they will go out fighting!

 

[Ranger68]

Whoever wins "deserves" the Cup. I just wish that the referees were more vigilant about calling the rulebook, and that the Flames weren't resorting to goon tactics.

 

[The Doctor]

Wow, that's a pretty long bridge to cross - you "suspect" that a guy's lying on the ice faking it so you're going to berate him.

What bullshit.

Not every major penalty elicits calls for suspension. This one has, and should.

Frankly, the majors aren't called enough. In the "old days", any hit like that - or a high stick, or an elbow, or a slash - which drew blood would have AUTOMATICALLY netted a five minute major and a game misconduct. Since they added the "four minute" call, these days, the only times they call the major is when the foul is egregious - thus, the call for further action.

Nieminen should be suspended.

Ah Ranger, it's not a stretch nor is it speculation on my part. I heard the clip of the T-Bay defensemen on the radio yesterday. He saw that Lecavalier was getting up and told him to stay down to draw the major. I'm not questioning whether Vinny is hurt or not, but I do think that kind of move ranks up there with the childish moves of a few Habs, earlier in the playoffs.

I'm all for 5 minute majors, but there has bee a lot of inconsistencies with how the supplementary discipline has been handed out that everyone immediately second guesses the refs and appeals to a higher court. The refereeing in the league these past couple of years has been quite useless and we've seen a growing number of non-calls from the refs that are followed up with supplementary discipline from the league. Now everyone thinks that major penalties should be followed up with suspensions. Ville got a game (probably because of his shot on Cujo), but I don't think that it is appropriate and I think Colin Campbell has lost his nerve and is caving to public pressure because of all of the high profile incedents he's had to deal with this year.