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Went back at a couple spots i read..... misread..... next time grab my glasses
Shane Pinto Suspended 41 games.
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Went back at a couple spots i read..... misread..... next time grab my glasses
If he's betting Proline, I doubt that it would be a problem.
If he's betting with someone unsavory and is taking some significant losses it could affect the integrity of the game as they could use his debts as leverage against him.
Maybe Wayne Gretzky and Connor McDavid shouldn't star in gambling ads.
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clowns from tsn, they promate it everyday on they channel
Them's the rules. Players know them. He broke the rules and got caught. Do I think 41 games is excessive? Yes, especially since he didn't bet on any NHL games. I hate the insane amount of sports betting advertising that's constantly in your face. But it's revenue for them, so I see why they do it.
NHL games or not I think the concern is that he becomes indebted to the mob and the mob say throw a couple of games and we waive your debt (and also won't break your leg).
It wouldn't even have to involve throwing games. Just making the point spread more favourable would be something smart mobsters tell him to do so they don't make it obvious.
This was a negotiated suspension between Pinto, his agent, and the NHL says they will not speak of this any further nor will the Sens beyond their already public disclosures. The truth of what happened may never come out -- this can be a plea bargain of sorts for Pinto with the NHL since the evidence may have had an "out".
What we do know (or perhaps more accurately what we don't know)
- Pinto claims (and the Sens claim) "he" did not bet on NHL games
- NHL players are permitted to bet on other sports (Pinto was not suspended for that)
- An NHL betting partner alerted the NHL of Pinto's suspicious activities on their site.
We don't know anything else. Was another person claimed to be using Pinto's account?
What we do know (or perhaps more accurately what we don't know)
- Pinto claims (and the Sens claim) "he" did not bet on NHL games
- NHL players are permitted to bet on other sports (Pinto was not suspended for that)
- An NHL betting partner alerted the NHL of Pinto's suspicious activities on their site.
We don't know anything else. Was another person claimed to be using Pinto's account?
"Unsavoury" bookies are to betting nowadays, as Porn Magazines are to Porn.
This is the 2020's - not the 1980's.
They are both basically extinct as there are no need for them due to easier ways to access gambling/porn. There is no real market for either.
And in the case of Pinto we already know it was an NHL betting partner / advertiser that contacted them due to irregularities - that has already been leaked out. The nature of the irregularities has not.
At this point, Mostly everybody bets online with a regulatory approved online betting site (which Pinto was doing)- and you don't bet on "credit". You fund your account in advance, so there are no debts to be used as leverage. You can still sustain a bunch of losses as you upload new funds, but there is nobody threatening you for monies owed. You never owe money.
Are still some bookies out there - probably but it has to be very uncommon due to much easier and safer options. But either way we know Pinto was betting on a regulated site
I hadn't heard a confirmation of that.
Seeing as there are so many options for gambling, as you just pointed out, whatever he did, he had to be pretty stupid to do it.
I'm not an expert in this field, but as someone who has been betting on sports for close to two decades, this is my cent as to probably what happened:
1) Pinto wagered through a friend - meaning that he would tip his friend on what NHL games to bet on his behalf ... this is easy to track for sportsbook
2) Pinto was placing big bets on behalf of sharp whales - these are the scariest bettors for sportsbook and they often minimize the danger by limiting how much the whales can bet ... so these whales will reach out to athletes and high-profile figures who have higher credits
1) Pinto wagered through a friend - meaning that he would tip his friend on what NHL games to bet on his behalf ... this is easy to track for sportsbook
2) Pinto was placing big bets on behalf of sharp whales - these are the scariest bettors for sportsbook and they often minimize the danger by limiting how much the whales can bet ... so these whales will reach out to athletes and high-profile figures who have higher credits
Dreger and multiple others have reported that it was a regulated gambling site that is partners with the NHL (could be one of dozens based on the endless commercials we see!) that notified the NHL about unusual activity on his account.
We can knock out theories about mobs, or Vegas sharks that are from a past era of gambling.
Geo-Locators - Bolding it for a reason as it is likely critical to what happened here and to why there was very likely a third party involved in this and who had access to his account. Also explains the clear as mud comments by Pinto, the Sens and the NHL.
What are Geo-Locators - Geo-Locators are an app you install on your computer so others who are required to verify your location, can verify it, As applied to sports wagering in the regulated betting world (such as Ontario) you can only bet on Ontario licensed sites while you are actually located in Ontario.
After reading various articles, tweets, thoughts many have pieced it together and I agree.
We already know from various sources that Pinto was betting on a regulated state approved / province approved site.
So here are the facts if Pinto is an active better in a regulated site.
1. Pinto sets up a betting account in a specified state that he is a resident in (likely New York). But that's it - only New York or Ontario. Like Canada, the US has went through a process the last 5 years of allowing each individual state to regulate online sports wagering operators.
2. If you register on a betting site in New York (or in Ontario) you are only allowed to place a bet while you are actually in that state/province at the time. You can't make a bet without a geo-locator as the operator needs to verify your location. For example, I cross the border into Montreal and I can't make a bet on my Ontario site anymore.
3. If Pinto wanted to make when he is out of state/province (outside of New York or Ontario), the only way he could make a bet on his account is with a third party / friend / associate making the bets for him .
So here is the theory that I find highly probable
1. Pinto is obviously out of town a lot. If he wants to bet, he needs to give instructions to a third party/friend who is based in New York or Ontario to make a bet on his behalf So someone he likely knew well had access to his account.
2. That third party makes bets for Pinto. That third party also makes bets on hockey games. Were those instructed by Pinto? He claims not.
3. The times that the bets on hockey were made, Pinto can easily document fact that he is outside of New York or Ontario the dates were made. Because of geo-locators he could not be the one who placed the bet.
4. So the NHL can't prove that he specifically made or instructed the bets on his account, and Pinto and the Sens also have the outs that "HE" did not bet on NHL games. And that very well could have been true. Either way its wreckless and bad for the NHL's reputation.
5. The NHL doesn't make an outright conclusion as to what happen in announcing their penalty, because they still can't make a conclusive comment as to whether Pinto was behind the bet or not.
6. The NHL issues a mid-way penalty as it conclude fully what happened - at minimum it was reckless.
The other thing is the bets on hockey didn't have to be particularly big - we know an NFL player was suspended for a year for making a few $1,000 bets while injured on other games.
What are Geo-Locators - Geo-Locators are an app you install on your computer so others who are required to verify your location, can verify it, As applied to sports wagering in the regulated betting world (such as Ontario) you can only bet on Ontario licensed sites while you are actually located in Ontario.
After reading various articles, tweets, thoughts many have pieced it together and I agree.
We already know from various sources that Pinto was betting on a regulated state approved / province approved site.
So here are the facts if Pinto is an active better in a regulated site.
1. Pinto sets up a betting account in a specified state that he is a resident in (likely New York). But that's it - only New York or Ontario. Like Canada, the US has went through a process the last 5 years of allowing each individual state to regulate online sports wagering operators.
2. If you register on a betting site in New York (or in Ontario) you are only allowed to place a bet while you are actually in that state/province at the time. You can't make a bet without a geo-locator as the operator needs to verify your location. For example, I cross the border into Montreal and I can't make a bet on my Ontario site anymore.
3. If Pinto wanted to make when he is out of state/province (outside of New York or Ontario), the only way he could make a bet on his account is with a third party / friend / associate making the bets for him .
So here is the theory that I find highly probable
1. Pinto is obviously out of town a lot. If he wants to bet, he needs to give instructions to a third party/friend who is based in New York or Ontario to make a bet on his behalf So someone he likely knew well had access to his account.
2. That third party makes bets for Pinto. That third party also makes bets on hockey games. Were those instructed by Pinto? He claims not.
3. The times that the bets on hockey were made, Pinto can easily document fact that he is outside of New York or Ontario the dates were made. Because of geo-locators he could not be the one who placed the bet.
4. So the NHL can't prove that he specifically made or instructed the bets on his account, and Pinto and the Sens also have the outs that "HE" did not bet on NHL games. And that very well could have been true. Either way its wreckless and bad for the NHL's reputation.
5. The NHL doesn't make an outright conclusion as to what happen in announcing their penalty, because they still can't make a conclusive comment as to whether Pinto was behind the bet or not.
6. The NHL issues a mid-way penalty as it conclude fully what happened - at minimum it was reckless.
The other thing is the bets on hockey didn't have to be particularly big - we know an NFL player was suspended for a year for making a few $1,000 bets while injured on other games.
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Both seem highly improbable in this particular scenario.
1) We have already been made aware by Dreger and other sources that the irregular activity actually happened on Pinto's own betting account on a regulated site who advertises with the NHL Sources within the NHL seem to be OK with leaking that, but they are not leaking the "irregular activity".
2) We are in 2023 with regulated betting sites that are easily accessible and don't have "debts" - you fund the account. Pinto also made about $100,000 after tax from playing hockey before the 2022/2023 season, and about $500K last season from it. No one is reaching out to him to make a big bet.
The NFL player that got dinged was dinged for making a $1,000 bet on other NFL games while he was injured. It could have been a similar scenario here
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