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Single Most Disappointing Film of 2017?

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I enjoyed Justice League more than Thor: Ragnarok, which was close to Austin Powers level of parody and goofiness.
But biggest disappointment was Bright which had an interesting premise and completely blew it.
Thought Shadowrun was going to get it's due. For the non geek Shadowrun in a role-playing game like D+D but with a mix of classic fantasy and Sci-fi.

At first I thought Bright was going to be a mini series. Then I saw it was a one off and just knew they would get it wrong.
 

Don Draper

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It's interesting how many on here feel the superhero movies are a disappointment. A member on another board posted that Jodi Foster slams them, equating them to fracking http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5224211/Jodie-Foster-slams-superhero-movies.html but the members there slammed her for here viewpoint.
That's because she's going against popular opinion. Popular and informed are not the same thing.

She's a film maker in her own right. Two Oscars for acting and several respected directing credits including "Little Man Tate", an excellent film. She was recently in Toronto directing an episode of 'Black Mirror'.

Foster respects the Art of Cinema, as do I. Film is reserved for Masterpieces such as "Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources", "Ran 乱, " or "The Godfather". Not so much for "Cape vs Mask".

Superhero films are clearly beneath the status of the aforementioned masterpieces which are worth an adults' time and effort. They're obviously profitable and cast a wide net in terms of audience appeal since children are the main target audience and they need an adult to take them to the theatre.

As an adult explorer and connoisseur of fine arts (both foreign and domestic) I have better things to do than to spend my time watching wasteful, comic cacophony. It also reeks of cultural desperation at trying to find some sort of mythology within a two dimensional false universe.

Foster is right and I support her in her stance. Others won't and that's fine, there are those who want to discuss blue tights, masks and capes.

I'd rather discuss Kurosawa, Hitchcock and Fellini and will seek out those who do. Adults are always welcome.
 

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The new Star Wars' Kylo Ren lightsaber puzzles me. How can he use it without cutting off his own hand? Oh yeah, the latest sucked! Turned Luke into a nothing character seemingly only to discard him. Maybe because he's getting too old and they need new characters?
My problem was less with discarding him and more with him being so out of character. I mean, Luke's whole thing in Return of the Jedi is that he saw a sliver of good in his father and risked all to bring him back to the light side. And yet with Kylo Ren, his nephew....
 

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It's interesting how many on here feel the superhero movies are a disappointment. A member on another board posted that Jodi Foster slams them, equating them to fracking http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5224211/Jodie-Foster-slams-superhero-movies.html but the members there slammed her for here viewpoint.
That's because she's going against popular opinion. Popular and informed are not the same thing.

She's a film maker in her own right. Two Oscars for acting and several respected directing credits including "Little Man Tate", an excellent film. She was recently in Toronto directing an episode of 'Black Mirror'.

Foster respects the Art of Cinema, as do I. Film is reserved for Masterpieces such as "Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources", "Ran 乱, " or "The Godfather". Not so much for "Cape vs Mask".

Superhero films are clearly beneath the status of the aforementioned masterpieces which are worth an adults' time and effort. They're obviously profitable and cast a wide net in terms of audience appeal since children are the main target audience and they need an adult to take them to the theatre.

As an adult explorer and connoisseur of fine arts (both foreign and domestic) I have better things to do than to spend my time watching wasteful, comic cacophony. It also reeks of cultural desperation at trying to find some sort of mythology within a two dimensional false universe.

Foster is right and I support her in her stance. Others won't and that's fine, there are those who want to discuss blue tights, masks and capes.

I'd rather discuss Kurosawa, Hitchcock and Fellini and will seek out those who do. Adults are always welcome.
There are many different movie genres and each one appeals to a certain group of people. So I really don't understand her comments. I can agree to the fact that many of these movies are cheap thrills (ok storylines, a bunch of jokes - some good some bad, and a good deal of action/explosions/etc. and cool visuals). They make studios a ton of money and considering some movies are flops, it's good to have sure-things that will generate cash to offset losses. At the same time, these big budget films give studios and actors the chance to participate in other projects that will be less successful financially but the films may be very good (and potential Oscar winners). Granted, 50 years from now people won't be watching Iron Man - there will be something current that is generating the buzz. And classic films and great films with amazing acting/storylines will still be watched or even taught. But for now, we all need some simplistic entertainment.

I watched the Hurt Locker. It won the Oscar for best film and best director. I didn't enjoy it. I've seen other Oscar Winners that I did enjoy (e.g. Crash). And I don't expect too many Oscars to be given out, at least for acting, to most big budget films (Dark Knight being the exception). But I'm not there to see award winning performances. I just want a decent story and good action. The problem with some films is it's clear they aren't taking the time to realize the story is crap and just figure people will go because it's part of a group of films and people like the genre.

My problem was less with discarding him and more with him being so out of character. I mean, Luke's whole thing in Return of the Jedi is that he saw a sliver of good in his father and risked all to bring him back to the light side. And yet with Kylo Ren, his nephew....
So, what you want 50 years later is the same story recycled? My issue with the force awakens is it felt like a new hope redone - wasn't good. So recycling the same theme sounds like a waste of time. I didn't like the Force awakens because it was slow and drawn out. Most of the star wars films are. I like a 90 min film as much as a 3 hour film as long as in both cases, I'm interested and engaged. Don't put in long scenes of walking or landscape or slow dialogue that goes nowhere and just adds more time/length to a film.
 
That's because she's going against popular opinion. Popular and informed are not the same thing.

She's a film maker in her own right. Two Oscars for acting and several respected directing credits including "Little Man Tate", an excellent film. She was recently in Toronto directing an episode of 'Black Mirror'.

Foster respects the Art of Cinema, as do I. Film is reserved for Masterpieces such as "Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources", "Ran 乱, " or "The Godfather". Not so much for "Cape vs Mask".

Superhero films are clearly beneath the status of the aforementioned masterpieces which are worth an adults' time and effort. They're obviously profitable and cast a wide net in terms of audience appeal since children are the main target audience and they need an adult to take them to the theatre.

As an adult explorer and connoisseur of fine arts (both foreign and domestic) I have better things to do than to spend my time watching wasteful, comic cacophony. It also reeks of cultural desperation at trying to find some sort of mythology within a two dimensional false universe.

Foster is right and I support her in her stance. Others won't and that's fine, there are those who want to discuss blue tights, masks and capes.

I'd rather discuss Kurosawa, Hitchcock and Fellini and will seek out those who do. Adults are always welcome.
I agree with much of what you're saying and enjoy highbrow movies, or as a past roommate put it, artsy fartsy, but also feel it's important to bring out the inner child every now and again when appropriate, like watching a movie with my 10 yr old nephew. I consider myself to be a well rounded individual that can be taken pretty much anywhere and have a good time, making the most of any situation. If I spend the whole time disdaining something I may miss the hidden beauty within. As William Cowper's poem "The Task" says, `Variety is the very spice of life, That gives it all it's flavor."
 
There are many different movie genres and each one appeals to a certain group of people. So I really don't understand her comments. I can agree to the fact that many of these movies are cheap thrills (ok storylines, a bunch of jokes - some good some bad, and a good deal of action/explosions/etc. and cool visuals). They make studios a ton of money and considering some movies are flops, it's good to have sure-things that will generate cash to offset losses. At the same time, these big budget films give studios and actors the chance to participate in other projects that will be less successful financially but the films may be very good (and potential Oscar winners). Granted, 50 years from now people won't be watching Iron Man - there will be something current that is generating the buzz. And classic films and great films with amazing acting/storylines will still be watched or even taught. But for now, we all need some simplistic entertainment.

I watched the Hurt Locker. It won the Oscar for best film and best director. I didn't enjoy it. I've seen other Oscar Winners that I did enjoy (e.g. Crash). And I don't expect too many Oscars to be given out, at least for acting, to most big budget films (Dark Knight being the exception). But I'm not there to see award winning performances. I just want a decent story and good action. The problem with some films is it's clear they aren't taking the time to realize the story is crap and just figure people will go because it's part of a group of films and people like the genre.



So, what you want 50 years later is the same story recycled? My issue with the force awakens is it felt like a new hope redone - wasn't good. So recycling the same theme sounds like a waste of time. I didn't like the Force awakens because it was slow and drawn out. Most of the star wars films are. I like a 90 min film as much as a 3 hour film as long as in both cases, I'm interested and engaged. Don't put in long scenes of walking or landscape or slow dialogue that goes nowhere and just adds more time/length to a film.
What's not to understand? I'm merely pointing out that interestingly one board leans one way and another board leans the other with regard to this topic. Clearly the active members of each board are quite different in their viewpoints, which is often the case. I can post the same thing here and there and usually get very different reactions, even though many of the members do frequent both boards, favouring posting on one more so over the other.
 

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I was really looking forward to seeing that film but left feeling disappointed and frustrated. The loud, continual gun fire and explosions drowned out the dialogue- I understand this was done deliberately by the director to simulate the battlefield experience but I just found it annoying. I still liked the film but I was disappointed.
I just saw this recently and it didn't really do much for me. Hans Zimmer's score is just way too overwhelming, it's like in every damn scene. The sound mixing and design was stellar tho, it'll give your surround system a workout, and the IMAX scenes are good too, just couldn't get into it really.

The most disappointing has to be Alien: Covenant. Ridley Scott has officially put the nail in the coffin in the Alien franchise. Some of the worst CGI ever and how many times can we watch a movie about a group of explorers discovering the creature?? let's got on with it!

Blade Runner 2049 was my fave, alongside mother! and Disaster Artist.

I have mixed feelings about The Last Jedi. Has some wonderful scenes but they basically ruined the Star Wars franchise to ahead with their PC agenda. Yes, Luke is white, is that such crime that you have to spend an inordinate amount on some lousy side plot no one cared about it?
 

Insidious Von

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Fuck the new Star Wars movie.
Couldn't agree more. Now it's nothing more than a corporate flagship, the marketing campaign was gargantuan. Not that the franchise ever had a positive message, in their galaxy there is no hope. George Lucas wore his far right heart on his sleeve with the prequels. So much for the franchise having legs.

This makes me very happy.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-jumanji-overtakes-star-wars-last-jedi-new-years-day-1070976
 

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What's not to understand? I'm merely pointing out that interestingly one board leans one way and another board leans the other with regard to this topic. Clearly the active members of each board are quite different in their viewpoints, which is often the case. I can post the same thing here and there and usually get very different reactions, even though many of the members do frequent both boards, favouring posting on one more so over the other.
I am a little confused by your response. The comments I'm referring to are Jodie Foster's. To me they are a bit nonsensical as the money from the big budget films help pay for other films, directly or indirectly.
 
You quoted me, which is what made me think "her comments" was directed at me. I believe it has already been explained to you in another thread how quoting someone is seen as relational to the poster. Be more clear next time (e.g. I really don't understand Foster's comments) and there won't be any confusion.
 

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You quoted me, which is what made me think "her comments" was directed at me. I believe it has already been explained to you in another thread how quoting someone is seen as relational to the poster. Be more clear next time (e.g. I really don't understand Foster's comments) and there won't be any confusion.
Actually, Don Draper also quoted you, used the term "her" and it appears just as ambiguous. However, if one reads everything afterwards, it's crystal clear that we both were referring to Jodie. Yes I agree I can be more clear in the future, but at the same time, I would likely have used "you" or your name somewhere in there to be clear I was referring to you. Looking back, I'll admit I'm not sure why I did quote you - should have been Don only.

I have read that explanation and sorry - it's basically BS. Some people here actually don't seem to understand that quoting someone does not necessarily mean you are directly engaging them nor referring to them and a reply is not required. It's just a simple way of creating a reference to the comment you are posting, which could be an agreement, disagreement, or a build. Even your comment now, by NOT quoting me, is a little ambiguous in who it refers to. However, given it follows mine, given that I asked you, it's not that difficult to figure out. Had you not responded immediately and there were a bunch of comments in between, I'm pretty sure some other people reading the thread would be wondering what you are talking about.

Trust me, in 99% of cases, if I'm referring to someone, I'm very direct about it unlike other's who are happy to play games and indirectly point fingers.

Anyway, Jodie is wrong on this one - that's my opinion.
 

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Star Wars fans take themselves way too seriously. Lucas based the franchise on Saturday morning serials and are meant to be campy. Enjoy it for the spectacle that it is. Besides, all the films have their strong and weak moments. I also find the outrage at Luke's character in Last Jedi silly. It's been 30+ years since we last saw him on screen. Is it so far fetched that he become a grumpy old man?

The DC movies always look so bleak and not in a good way. They tried unsuccessfully to be "realistic" like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy.
 
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