Some masks better than others
- Thread starter Phil C. McNasty
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Mine is a double cloth with filter, nose wire, under chin and eslasticity with tight fit right to my ears, and against my cheek bones. I have several I rotate and wash. As do all my friends and family. So far we have been clear. Of course add in all the other precautions as well.
And I see alot of similar ones on the TTC and in the grocery. Still lots of stupid people who don't get the concept too. But they do help.
Cases increase, but you completely refuse to acknowledge that the cause of the infectivity rate is multifactorial. But all you talk about is masks, masks and more masks. Occasionally you also mention masks as well.
It is ridiculous to ignore people's behaviour which is probably 10X more significant than whether a mask is 95% sealed or 90 or 50, especially when so many people don't wear masks and have parties and gatherings. TGiving, Hallowe'en parties, Xmas, New Years. Are you aware that those events occurred because I only hear you talk about masks? It seems that your blinkers block out reality more than a N95 blocks the virus.
Of course its multifactorial. The fact there are flu seasons is one big factor.
And there are many others.
But I've said this over and over again, when masks were mandated around July 14th the new infection rate stayed steady (see red line in graph), and didnt come down as many "experts" predicted. Therefore, when all other factors stayed constant, the masks should have reduced new cases, but they didnt
Phil, would you be interested if I speak with the head brass at the hospital about you going in as an expert to go over with their policy and protocol on the usage of proper PPE ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you're hilarious.
And many people were already wearing masks. It's not like it went from nobody wearing masks to everybody. Tell us, when masks were mandated what was the increase in mask wearing? You have no idea.
And you are wrong because by the end of Aug. cases were under 200 and then got down to double digits. So cases most definitely went down.
And people were spending more time outdoors. Then it got colder and people moved indoors in Oct. and Nov. And then holidays came.
And all you talk about is masks but never people's behaviour. You want a realistic assessment, then you need to get real and accept that many factors are involved, not just masks.
I bet you don't even shave before putting your N95 on.
Why is it so challenging for you to understand that no mask eliminates the risk and the choice of mask is simply risk management. The medical community sees surgical masks okay in low risk situations but you somehow know better. Sadly your only 'evidence' is that people are still getting sick despite mask mandates.
If you want to argue that we need to implement the highest possible precautions then there are numerous steps up the chain you could be arguing for starting with face shields to protect the eyes.
Are we going back to your claims that aerosolized virus particles are too small to be blocked by surgical masks?
Stupidly you ignore that mask wearing was common starting in April and mandatory in many stores by early June. If you cared to consider that, it corresponds quite well with the drop in cases in May and June. Do you know anyone who wasn't wearing a mask in stores by June?Of course its multifactorial. The fact there are flu seasons is one big factor.
And there are many others.
But I've said this over and over again, when masks were mandated around July 14th the new infection rate stayed steady (see red line in graph), and didnt come down as many "experts" predicted. Therefore, when all other factors stayed constant, the masks should have reduced new cases, but they didnt
I do have an idea, I remember quite clearly people who wore masks before the mandate were maybe 10 to 20% of all the people I saw in stores and supermarkets
On July 15th new cases were at 102.
By the end of August new cases were at 114.
Look it up
Yeah, its called the start of flu season.
When weather gets colder flu's and common colds increase, why should Covid be any different??
I never said there were no other factors involved.
But this thread is focused on masks people are currently wearing, which arent good enough
Another one of your stupid comments, I shave every day
I'm going by the data, and it shows it hasnt made any difference.
You should perhaps take a course in math and/or statistics
Covid is airborne, face shields let even more air escape through the top, the sides and the bottom.
In addition to math and statistics, you should perhaps take a course in physics as well
Its not just my claim, its the CDC's claim as well. This pic is right from their website:
The majority of people werent wearing mask in May and June. The drop in Covid cases were because of the after-effects of the lockdown, it had nothing to do with a few people wearing masks
No way. By June most store were mandating masks. That's when you saw so many videos of Karens and Kens where everybody else was wearing masks in those stores. I say that by mid-June masking was at least 80% in stores and most residential buildings had regulations in place.
And in between it got down to double digits. Look it up.
Yet every time other factors were introduced you only wanted to talk about masks. You always downplayed the other factors.
Your mantra was, "Cases went up today. It proves that masks are useless." I remember how happy you were to post this.
So when you say that, you are saying that no other factors matter.
Cases in Ontario were down to 1,700 yesterday from a high of about 3,600 on Jan. 7. The masks are working.
Not true. Some stores urged customers to wear masks, but they would still let you shop if you didnt have one.
The Karens were very isolated incidents. Some werent even in Ontario, they were in the US
You are cherry-picking a few days where it went under 100, but completely ignoring all the other weeks after July 14th where it went between 100 and 150 and gradually started going up in late summer
Again, this thread is about masks
I never said I was happy with new cases going up. You're making up bullshit now
Other factors do matter, but those factors stayed pretty much constant during the July 14th to September 14th time period.
If anything some of the other factors should have reduced new cases drastically because in the summer almost everyone's outside, and the virus is much harder to spread outside than inside
And you pretend reality is something different. Masks became widely used by the start of June which corresponds quite well to the numbers. And are you now saying eye protection is useless too? Are you going to go back and edit all the posts you made on that topic?...
I'm going by the data, and it shows it hasnt made any difference.
You should perhaps take a course in math and/or statistics
Covid is airborne, face shields let even more air escape through the top, the sides and the bottom.
In addition to math and statistics, you should perhaps take a course in physics as well
Grocery stores were the leaders in telling everyone to wear a mask. They couldn't enforce it because the government hadn't acted yet and still the significant majority were wearing them.
But accepting reality would undermine your argument so don't bother.
