some say "wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection".

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Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era
List of authors.
  • Michael Klompas, M.D., M.P.H.,
  • Charles A. Morris, M.D., M.P.H.,
  • Julia Sinclair, M.B.A.,
  • Madelyn Pearson, D.N.P., R.N.,
  • and Erica S. Shenoy, M.D., Ph.D.
New England Journal Of Medicine



As the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic continues to explode, hospital systems are scrambling to intensify their measures for protecting patients and health care workers from the virus. An increasing number of frontline providers are wondering whether this effort should include universal use of masks by all health care workers. Universal masking is already standard practice in Hong Kong, Singapore, and other parts of Asia and has recently been adopted by a handful of U.S. hospitals.

We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.

The calculus may be different, however, in health care settings. First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection. Masking in this context is already part of routine operations for most hospitals. What is less clear is whether a mask offers any further protection in health care settings in which the wearer has no direct interactions with symptomatic patients. There are two scenarios in which there may be possible benefits.
 

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And it only takes a little to catch COVID-19.

What we have seen is places where masks are widely used in public spaces, the control of the spread is better maintained.

What we have also seen is places where masks are less used in public spaces, the control of the spread is terribly maintained.

Every little bit counts especially when it comes to health and safety!
 
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Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy



Conclusion
By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.

Otherwise, what is the point of publicly funded science?
 

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Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy



Conclusion
By making mask-wearing recommendations and policies for the general public, or by expressly condoning the practice, governments have both ignored the scientific evidence and done the opposite of following the precautionary principle.

In an absence of knowledge, governments should not make policies that have a hypothetical potential to cause harm. The government has an onus barrier before it instigates a broad social-engineering intervention, or allows corporations to exploit fear-based sentiments.

Furthermore, individuals should know that there is no known benefit arising from wearing a mask in a viral respiratory illness epidemic, and that scientific studies have shown that any benefit must be residually small, compared to other and determinative factors.

Otherwise, what is the point of publicly funded science?
Very questionable author:
Denis Rancourt former professor that got fired and banned by University of Ottawa.
He's racist too.
 
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Doctor Gives A Solid Reason Why Masks Won’t Protect You From Coronavirus When not fitted right


 

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Doctor Gives A Solid Reason Why Masks Won’t Protect You From Coronavirus When not fitted right


Preach, brother. Ditch the masks and mingle. Hold rallies. Hit the beaches. What's the worst that can happen?

We will not have our liberties taken away by the left.

WHO'S WITH ME!!!!!
 
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If you look at the countries that have been able to keep Covid pretty much under control they share one thing .... they are mask wearing countries. Asian countries routinely wear masks for bad air quality or at the fist sign of a bug. They must be doing something right.
 
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first this is not a study- not much more than a letter to the editor with very few references- and it does not support the title of this thread.

"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

their opinion (with no studies to support it) state that the mask is not necessary in public spaces because basically you cant catch the virus in public spaces even without a mask- which of course is bs. it never says that masks are ineffective at reducing virus transmission in those situations where the virus is normally transmitted. in fact, the rest of the article proposes the use of a mask when dealing with symptomatic patients but points out that it is not a panacea and must be accompanied by frequent hand washing etc. this is exactly what we are being told--- wear your mask, wash your hands, dont touch your face etc.
 

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In mainland China, Hong Kong, Japan, South Korea, Thailand and Taiwan vs Florida, Texas, Alabama, Iowa

Hmmmmmm, I wonder which ones are doing better?
 

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A true N95 grade mask would offer protection
Fools wearing cloth / homemade / paper masks are just fools
 

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Very questionable author:
Denis Rancourt former professor that got fired and banned by University of Ottawa.
He's racist too.
Curious how you jump to that conclusion without any review of the facts in the case?

The court case was a farce (Rancourt protested multiple times as the judge Charboneau had a massive conflict of interest in a pre-existing relationship with UoO amongst other issues)

Racist or not, UoO was totally wrong as it was discriminating against Asian (Chinese) women

I have no idea how the fight between Rancourt & St. Lewis (Black) ever came about

The paper she wrote is here
 

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A true N95 grade mask would offer protection
Fools wearing cloth / homemade / paper masks are just fools
That's false TeeJay. While no mask traps 100% of the water vapour as you exhale, if everyone is wearing face coverings while indoors, they can greatly reduce the potential spread of the virus. You may also want to read up on "viral load" and how that plays into the equation.

 

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That's false TeeJay. While no mask traps 100% of the water vapour as you exhale, if everyone is wearing face coverings while indoors, they can greatly reduce the potential spread of the virus. You may also want to read up on "viral load" and how that plays into the equation.
You seem to not understand the purpose of a mask
If I wore one it is to prevent ME from catching the virus

The myth that simply covering my face would somehow reduce the spread in public is nonsense fan fiction written by the most paranoid of the covidiots

I actually posted a Dr video if you want to read up on how the virus actually works and why
 

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It's not to protect you from others, it to protect others from you.
Your post is correct. However the primary motivation and frenzy to wear masks for most people is to protect themselves,
 
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