SP stopped by security at hotel. SP's: what would you do in this situation?

[djk]

< Nonetheless, Delta Hotel is treading on dangerous ground if they continue this type of behaviour. They should stick with politely asking people to leave the premises.>

True but I doubt any SP or client would want the attention such a lawsuit would create. I'm sure the Delta Hotel would have no problem leaking that fact out to a yellow newspaper like The Sun.

 

[rdhaired_vixen]

This would be why in most cases i dress professional and with a breifcase...he had no right to illegally search her possessions unless he belives she stole something from the hotel.. and then he must have a security guard or police officer to do it...

 

[Goober Mcfly]

I'm puzzled...What would security be looking for in her purse?

Security Guard: "OH MY GOD! SHE HAS CONDOMS! SHE MUST BE A PROSTITUTE!!!"

 

[gala]

Security guards never have any right to search you--no matter whether they think you might have bombs, or weapons, or what. If they suspect you have illegal materials they could detain you until the police arrive but they CANNOT EVER SEARCH YOU. Of course they can ask to search you and you can be dumb enough to allow it.

This is true even at airports: you can refuse to allow your bags to be searched and then they can refuse to let you on the plane. But they cannot insist on searching you. (However, you won't get on the plane.)

Further I seriously doubt that the hotel has ANY right to stop an escort from coming in. If they ask what you are doing there tell them that you're invited and it's none of their business. If the client is amenable (don't drag the client in to something without his consent) you could make a stand: tell security that you are an escort and that you are going to see your client. If they threaten to call the police, tell them to go ahead and call: when the police arrive tell them what you're doing there and that you are being harassed by security.

Actually if there are brave souls out there who want to put a stop to this and who have the funds for a legal suit I would suggest that an SP and a client get together and put an end to this once and for all. Have the SP arrive at the hotel and present themselves to security as an SP. Let them try and stop you; get the manager involved; take names and n umbers and subsequently involve a lawyer. The goal would be damages and/or an injunction preventing them from stopping escorts in the future. It would make news, hence the bravery.

 

[elaine]

Security Guard: "OH MY GOD! SHE HAS CONDOMS! SHE MUST BE A PROSTITUTE!!!"

Goober, I always have two boxes of unopened condoms for airport security, laid up on top of all my clothes just so when they check my bags. They become very uncomfortable going any further. And C cell batteries in my make-up bag.

If I get a female customs officer, I say "I am headed to a cribbage or chess tournament, we play online, but once a month we all get together for a live tournie" they think I'm a bigger geek then them and let me through, no matter how tight my slacks or skirt is.

If it's a male officer "I'm headed for a romantic weekend with my lover" ...."no no he's American from ____ just it's his only time off and this is our getaway place" they blush, give me the lecture of obtaining a petition if we wish to be married and send me on my way telling me to have fun, "I intend to," is always my reply.

I am surprized of the security guards actions, but could she have had a nervous face, possibly a new companion. Security can ask to look at the contents of her purse, as could I. I nor did he have any right to force the issue, but it would be up to her to know she had the right to say NO.

I generally always meet my gentleman in the lobby, so the hotel staff and other on lookers get jealous of him and immediatly see us together. Any ill issues of my presence in their hotel are dropped. But then I also don't return to the same hotel for atleast six months since my last companion before recommending it to a new one.

I recommend for her to place a clip on her site, not recommending the Delta Chelsea for her encounters as she may find herself being hassled in the future, but place a few other good alternative recommendations.

 

[maverick9]

That's right he's not a cop, security goofs have no right to search her purse, (but I have heard from other ladies they do it all the time)!

Unfortunately, he does have the right and the option to ask her to leave the hotel. The Delta Chelsea hotel in Toronto has been NOTORIOUS for at least 25 yrs for this type of behaviour!

Actually the rooms used to be quite nice, but I've not been there for at least 15 yrs. When I had a LF visit me at DC I met her at the front doors and walked proudly with her right up to the bar!

A nervous type of gent might not do the same, then it's his loss!

 

[homonger]

Remind never to stay at the Delta Chelsea, but then again it was not on my list of places to stay anyway... I suppose I can respect the notion of wanting to keep your hotel "sp free", I just don't know how you can really enforce it. I think all you need is a couple of actual nieces or sisters in law visiting, being accused of being sp's, and then you have the s**t hitting the proverbial fan.

Recently I was at the Hilton, and I was called each time an sp visited after 10pm (okay, I admit it, this was 4 nights in a row), and asked if it were OK if "so and so" came up. They were not restricting her from entering, they just wanted to make sure she was going somewhere in particular. I always wondered why agencies want to know the name under which the room is booked under, and now I know.

But they were checking everybody... I slipped out for a late night snack one night, and when I returned, they wanted me to show my room key before going to the elevators.

 

[gala]

maverick9: Are you sure he has the right to refuse her entry?

I am not a lawyer but it is my understanding that a hotel is not fully private property. Portions of the hotel, the rooms, have been temporarily rented out as private residences. As the invited guest of a resident she has an implicit license from the resident to traverse the common area and enter the residence to which she has been invited.

On what legal grounds would the hotel refuse to allow an invited guest to enter the residence to which she has been invited? Or to restrict the kinds of guests that a resident may invite?

I honestly don't really know the answer to this question, but it goes against what I have read and seen of the law to think that the hotel can arbitrarily decide to bar invited guests where they have not engaged in criminal behavior or created any disturbance.

 

[Big Bear]

Hotels are all private property despite having "public areas" just as malls are. They in fact can refuse to allow you into the hotel but it must be on a non-discriminatory basis. That is they can't refuse service based on race, religion etc. However if you were falling down drunk, were wearing dirty clothes etc they could refuse you as can a restaurant or bar.

Most people think that because they can walk into a hotel or store that it is a public place but under the law it is not and they can ask anyone they want to leave. Remember various news stories over the past few years of people being asked to leave malls because they were wearing a protest t-shirt or were trying to demonstrate against something.

Malls and hotels do have the right to ask you to leave, what they don't have is the right to search you. That you can refuse to do but they then can ask you to leave. Incidentally I have been in a hotel and asked for a SP to come to my room only to have the hotel call up and tell me that they knew who my "guest" was and she was "inappropriate for their hotel". She therefore would not be coming to my room and if I had a problem with that they would help me find another "more accomodating hotel". This happened in both New York and London England.

I've also had the hotels add a charge for two people in the room in the Philippines and South America for visitors. That makes for an interesting explanation on your expense account I can tell you!

 

[gala]

The laws in New York and London may make prostitution a crime, I don't know. If so certainly hotels there could exclude escorts on the grounds that they would commit a criminal act if allowed in. That is not the case with escorts in Toronto.

A mall or hotel may also regulate your conduct and dress while in the public area--they can bar or evict you for violating the dress code, or for creating a disturbance, or being disorderly. For example, they can exclude you for being drunk, wearing a protest t-shirt, or wearing sexually provocative clothing.

However a mall cannot bar you arbitrarily because of your line of work or the nature of your business with a mall occupant, and neither can a hotel. Providing you traverse the public space appropriately dressed and without disturbing anyone you are entitled to do so under the license granted to you by the mall store owner or hotel occupant.

Charging extra for a visitor is well within a hotels rights, but barring entry to someone because of their line of work is not the same as charging extra for a visitor. A hotel had better charge extra for any and all visitors if they wish to follow this policy, and at most they can insist that you pay the extra fee before allowing your guest to enter the room. They're within their rights to do that, as the extra occupant will increase the wear and tear on the room, use extra utilities, and require additional cleaning to be done.

The common area of a mall or hotel is private property it's true, but the mall or hotel owner is _not_ the only entity which can grant a license to traverse that private property: the resident of the mall or hotel room equally has a right to grant that license (limited by dress code, etc.) and by inviting someone into your store (say by advertising in a newspaper) or into your room (by asking them to come) you have implicitly granted a license to your party to traverse the common area and arrive at your privately rented portion of the facility.

At least that's my understanding of the law relating to the common area of a shared facility--however I'm not a lawyer, and I also don't know whether there are special provisions for hotels which would make it different from a mall or a condominium or an apartment building.

 

[twinkle]

A Las Vegas escort once told me that.......

Kiarra, good idea to carry the fake business cards, so just in case you are stopped your story seems legit. And your clients' obvious desire for privacy is not compromised!!!!

In Las Vegas it is 'surprisingly' common for outcall SPs to be stopped/questioned/harassed by hotel security. Vegas is not too SP friendly if they conduct their biz outside the 'confines' of the brothels.

Some upscale Vegas hotels actually have security guards positioned at the elevators to check if "everyone" has key cards, especially at night, to prevent anyone who is not a guest from even entering the elevator.

So what some 'creative' Vegas outcall SPs do (so that their clients dont have to come down to the lobby to pick them up, and possibly compromise their privacy and so that they are not prevented from seeing a client for an appointment) is......... they, "collect" variety of hotel keys/cards, (purchase from hotel staff, ask a regular client if he could give them his extra key card, etc) so that in the future when and if they are stopped and questioned by security they just show the hotel key and lie saying they are staying at the hotel .

 

[wrong hole]

As a matter of fact, they have bent over backwards to help me on a couple of occasions.

...playing hide the salami with the bell boy does not count sheik...

 

[Avery]

I've stayed at the Delta Chelsea for many years, and I've seen many SP's there. If my memory serves me correctly, I've had 17 encounters with 8 different ladies there in the past five years. To the best of my knowledge, none of the ladies has ever had a problem with hotel security. All except one were dressed fairly conservatively and wouldn't have attracted attention on that count. Of course, the latest starting time for these encounters was 9 PM, so I don't know if things would have been different later in the evening

Most of these encounters (13) have been with Allison's Angels. They always request not only my room number, but also the colour code of the elevators that go to my floor. There are several different colours, depending on which floors the elevators stop at. I presume that giving them the colour code enables them to get to the elevators without delay and minimizes the risk of a confrontation with security.

One of my encounters at the DC about four years ago was with an indie on a very hot and humid evening. She arrived at my door wearing a long trench coat over nothing but sheer black lingerie (her choice, not my request). Even she didn't attract attention from security. When I asked her why she was dressed that way, she replied, "I'm a call girl, and I like to dress like one!"

I've also seen ladies at other Delta hotels across Canada, and I'm not aware of any problems at any of them.

Montreal hotels are almost never a problem for escorts. Some of the Montreal promotional magazines distributed in hotels there even contain ads for escort services. Last year, I was staying on a business class floor requiring room key access. I normally make arrangements to meet escorts in the lobby or the on highest floor reachable without a key (their choice). That night, I had an appointment with an escort at 7 PM. I had just stepped out of the shower at 6:50 when my phone rang. It was the front desk telling me that my guest had arrived and asking me if it was OK for them to give her a key enabling her to take the elevator to my floor. I had to rush like hell to finish getting ready, but that's customer service!!