SP's - What do your...

[drlove]

So, turning the tables on the guys reading this thread -- do your immediate family and friends know you pay for pussy, and, if so, what were their reactions?

Two people know: My LF, and my best friend.

Reactions: LF- Initial shock and disbelief, but she eventually got over it. As for my best friend, he was curious more than anything... He later admitted that he would be too nervous to try. I told him "dude, you don't know what you're missing!"

 

[Cobster]

rape is not about sex, im 21 and know that. Being desperate and horny, that is when you may try to force a girl, and that is about sex, but rape is a power issue.

Not just a power issue, it's a sexual issue which inevitably leads to a power issue.
The viewpoint being, "I want sex. If you're not going to give it to me, I'll overpower you to get it".

 

[MuffinMuncher]

He then proceeded to tell everyone I knew, including my family. I lost some friends/acquaintances because of it. My family, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind but they tend to never mention it. We have a sort of silent understanding I suppose.

I'm sorry that happened to you, you're a class act and deserve far better treatment from so-called "friends". But it illustrates my point! IMHO, we (both sides) dont share this side of our life with anyone not out of shame but out of fear for how they will react or what unintended consequences may occur.

 

[JoyfulC]

Joyful C., I would think that this business might be slightly more dangerous and worry some for a person, rather than driving on the highway.

When I get to decide who else is on the highway with me, then I might agree with you.

(don't take this in a condescending tone either, just saying)

Why would I take it as condescending. I've been in this business since 1972. I'm sure you know much more about -- and more about it from my perspective -- than I do. I'm used to gettting told what's what by people who've already made up their minds and will only accept arguments that support their positions.

..c..

 

[JoyfulC]

This is an interesting thread. For me as a hobby-est I don't tell people that I see SP's. They'll think I'm stupid. “Why would you pay for sex”?.

Do you actually have friends who think they _don't_ pay for sex?? There's paying when you know the price up front, and then there's paying when you don't know what it's going to cost you until later. When there's more on the line than sex, it's understandable that one would take some risks -- but when it's just about sex, what kind of a numbskull wouldn't just pay the quoted price up front?? But then, I guess there have to be lambs to be fleeced.

And the thing is I'm actually an alright looking guy (Athletic build, 28 not to brag or anything) and I would probably have no problems finding someone.
For me I'm just sick of the drama and to be honest I don't really know if I can really trust the women of today. Everyone seem to be cheaters. I've been cheated on and it makes you feel worthless and unwanted.

Virtually all of my clients are guys who would have no trouble "finding someone" -- but at what cost?

When you can't or don't want to invest in property, you rent.

Oh, one last thing; I worry about SP's out there. - STD's - did you know if left untreated some of these STD's can leave a women infertile.

Heavens!! NO!!!

Sorry, but I've been fighting fertility (more or less successfully) since the 1970s. If I thought getting STDs would leave me sterile, I'd PAY to get them!

Cervical cancer to. ttp://www.talksexwithsue.com/sexindex.html (Sue Johansen website if you want to read up on things)

True enough. Interestingly, there's a vaccine available for this now in the US and SOME people are fighting it on the basis of morality. !!!! How sick is that?

Myself, I accept my mortality -- I'm not one of these people to run around freaking out over my cancer risks. I skydived actively for 22 years, rode motorcycles, races cars, and participated in a range of high risk activities over the years. Death doesn't scare me. Not getting the most out of life scares me.

Also I’m sure there are sicko’s out there. Like rapist for instance, not sure if you notice but there aren’t to many cases now a days. I wonder if they’re going to SP’s to get rid of their frustrations? That’s a scary thought especially if you’re into a certain SP and you have feelings for that person, not good!!


This is why I shouldn’t post anything I’m to damn open,

I think predators have traditionally attacked SPs because they feel that SPs are disposable people and crimes against us won't be investigated to the same degree that crimes against non-industry people would. And to some degree, they might be right.

..c..

 

[fuji]

do your immediate family and friends know you pay for pussy, and, if so, what were their reactions?

Other than my wife, no. I have a "don't ask / don't tell" situation with her, as in, I am pretty sure that she knows, but we make a point of never speaking about it. She certainly knows that I used to, I never told her that I stopped, and she (pointedly) does not ask me whether I still do.

I suspect if I or someone told her, she wouldn't like having her face rubbed in it.

 

[Bella6969]

There are a couple of my family members that think i do massage LOL
The rest think i work in ADMIN type jobs or EVENT PROMOTIONS

see the admin thing is easy to pull off because i used to own a construction biz with the EX - SO

 

[Cobster]

When I get to decide who else is on the highway with me, then I might agree with you.



Why would I take it as condescending. I've been in this business since 1972. I'm sure you know much more about -- and more about it from my perspective -- than I do. I'm used to gettting told what's what by people who've already made up their minds and will only accept arguments that support their positions.

..c..

YIKES 1972???????????

 

[pussylicker]

YIKES 1972???????????

What's wrong with that? At least she was honest about it. I still remember the ads in the Toronto Sun year after year "55 and so alive". Some guys might like the mature woman. Whatever floats their boat, JoyfulC included.

 

[Alexis696969]

I used to say i worked for that care giving servive "Helping Hands"..they actually work on call too .Then I got outed by a fucktart ..my family didnt know B arrie required a liscense to fark !

 

[pussylicker]

I used to say i worked for that care giving servive "Helping Hands"..they actually work on call too .Then I got outed by a fucktart ..my family didnt know B arrie required a liscense to fark !

So that's what my sister in law does. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm That puts a whole new spin on things. Maybe I should check it out.

 

[fuji]

some clients or hobbyists who were extremely condescending and a bunch of big hypocrites

The terb / "hobbyist" population in general is extremely unenlightened, ignorant, and bigoted about these issues, which is really surprising, until you think about who they are in real life. If you ignore for a moment that they buy sex for money and just categorize them as a demographic you won't be so surprised by the attitudes they hold. Really they've got the same blinders on that other older/middle-aged middle/upper class married family men have in general. Conservative voting, family value oriented, reactionary, non-liberal, men-are-providers, women-have-kids type guys.

Don't believe it? Go read those threads on divorce where it's taken for granted that anything the woman gets in a divorce is a "cost" to the guy. It's inconceivable to these guys that the woman might be contributing to the mortgage, they just don't think that way. Similarly, while they buy sex for money, they have some of the same attitudes towards prostitution that other guys in their demographic have.

Really, probably most guys in the demographic buy sex for money, and yet the prevailing attitude is prostitution is wrong, it's against family, etc., coming really from these same guys when they're talking in public and pretending to be upstanding citizens.

It strikes me that most women, when asked abstractly as a political question, likely have a more enlightened view of prostitution than most men do. When the Star ran its articles awhile back the male authors of the main article wrote all kinds of bigoted crap; then two opinion pieces ran by female writers that were in various ways fairly englightened.

Don't assume that just because a guy uses prostitutes that he's got a positive view of them.

 

[MmmMilena]

JoyfulC I just love reading what you have to say, you're well spoken! " If you don't want to invest in property, you rent"! good one ;-)

Good for you Alexa! Sometimes I wish I'd be more open and free, because truthfully.. I like this biz! For the most part, the men are decent looking and very respectuful. Heck, I encounter more pigs at the mall than working as an SP! I personally don't see this industry as immoral or degrading as long as you are not "forced" into it and is your only means of making $$. I've had office jobs that were just pure agony.. long hours and not enough pay (well, not nearly enough as an SP makes ) As Sheryl Crow says "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad!"

 

[JoyfulC]

YIKES 1972???????????

Yep, 1972. And I still awake each morning to download letters of lust and adoration from my gentleman friends.

That -- if nothing else! -- should speak for the specialness of this career choice. When other women my age have become non-sexual, I've had plenty of incentive to maintain my attractiveness, responsiveness and interest in sex.

I believe -- based on numerous accounts I've heard from men over the years -- that there comes a time in a woman's life where she must choose to remain sexual, must choose to be active in the delight of intimacy, must choose to embrace and love her body. And sadly, I think too many women not only don't have the incentive to do this, but they are actually discouraged from it.

Sadly, most of the men I see are married and most of them would much prefer to be home making love to their wives -- even though their wives are in their 50s, 60s, 70s and older. If it were up to them, the intimacy would have never died out of their relationships. More often, they feel "shut out" by the women in their lives -- not because their women don't find them attractive, but because they no longer view themselves as attractive.

One amazing gift this business gives us is the ability to enjoy our womanhood and recognize our attractiveness throughout our lives. And also, the ability to appreciate men of all ages.

..c..

 

[xarir]

Now that is a classy post. Well said JC! Post of the year right there.

 

[ex icarus]

I believe -- based on numerous accounts I've heard from men over the years -- that there comes a time in a woman's life where she must choose to remain sexual, must choose to be active in the delight of intimacy, must choose to embrace and love her body. And sadly, I think too many women not only don't have the incentive to do this, but they are actually discouraged from it.

Sadly, most of the men I see are married and most of them would much prefer to be home making love to their wives -- even though their wives are in their 50s, 60s, 70s and older. If it were up to them, the intimacy would have never died out of their relationships. More often, they feel "shut out" by the women in their lives -- not because their women don't find them attractive, but because they no longer view themselves as attractive.

JoyfulC, I think you have captured the essence ofthe experience of men in long term relationshps by these two paragraphs. It is certainly mine and that of many of by male friends. How did you get so smart