Stacy Clarke...should be fired...

[Frankfooter]

Post #68: " She should be fired for acting on a policy change that was being planned but was put on hold? "

Misinformation and misleading. It was cancelled outright and never implemented and never on hold, most likely because it made no sense. You tried to minimize this issue by misleading people into thinking it was a policy change that was underway and just waiting, ie "put on hold". You did this to sell your narrative that what she did was fine because it was going to be the norm anyway, You were wrong.

You tried.
You failed.
I caught you.

You do this all the time...try and word things in a twisted fashion to mislead people hoping no one will notice. You're not good at it and I will call you out on it every time like I did.

Apologize for the false accusation, skoob.
The policy change was approved by the board and then cancelled.
You fell on your face again.

Clarke explained her frustration that after years of working internally on committees and finally achieving promises that the promotions process would be more fair and Black officers would finally have a level playing field and a shot at moving up the ranks, the TPS Board-approved plan to provide the interview questions in advance to all was abruptly shelved with no explanation.

 

[Skoob]

Apologize for the false accusation, skoob.
The policy change was approved by the board and then cancelled.
You fell on your face again.

Clarke explained her frustration that after years of working internally on committees and finally achieving promises that the promotions process would be more fair and Black officers would finally have a level playing field and a shot at moving up the ranks, the TPS Board-approved plan to provide the interview questions in advance to all was abruptly shelved with no explanation.

In other words it was cancelled and not put on hold like you claimed. You tried to mislead with false information and you failed.
You tried to make it sound like she did something that was about to happen anyway but was put on hold.
very misleading indeed.
How about you apologize?
I mean after your face heals of course.

 

[Frankfooter]

In other words it was cancelled and not put on hold like you claimed. You tried to mislead with false information and you failed.
You tried to make it sound like she did something that was about to happen anyway but was put on hold.
very misleading indeed.
How about you apologize?
I mean after your face heals of course.

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

 

[Skoob]

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

Is this the part where you reinvent (i.e. gaslight) what actually happened and then accuse someone of being a racist when every other tactic you've tried has failed?

You support a crooked cop who tried to cheat and was caught...she admitted it herself. Those are the facts you keep avoiding.

You just want to turn this into a race issue but have failed at every attempt to do so.

 

[Frankfooter]

Is this the part where you reinvent (i.e. gaslight) what actually happened and then accuse someone of being a racist when every other tactic you've tried has failed?

You support a crooked cop who tried to cheat and was caught...she admitted it herself. Those are the facts you keep avoiding.

You just want to turn this into a race issue but have failed at every attempt to do so.

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

 

[Skoob]

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

You "sources" have nothing to do with what she did. She should be fired.

btw just because this story involves a crooked cop who happens to be black, helping other officers who happen to be black, doesn't make it a racist story.

Just because you call everyone a racist doesn't make them racists.

You failed miserably on this one. Just lay down and have a cookie.

 

[Frankfooter]

You "sources" have nothing to do with what she did. She should be fired.

btw just because this story involves a crooked cop who happens to be black, helping other officers who happen to be black, doesn't make it a racist story.

Just because you call everyone a racist doesn't make them racists.

You failed miserably on this one. Just lay down and have a cookie.

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
She acted on a policy change that was approved by the board then cancelled by someone.
She acted against policy but there was no corruption or personal gain.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

 

[Skoob]

No, skoob, my statements were accurate and I backed them up with sources.
She acted on a policy change that was approved by the board then cancelled by someone.
She acted against policy but there was no corruption or personal gain.
Stop the bullshit.
You posted this to attack black cops in Toronto, you failed.
You then tried to attack me and you failed.

All you've done is fallen on your face, over and over again.

Bullshit. You tried to peddle misleading information and I caught you.
She cheated and admitted it.
You don't seem to understand that basic fact. Stop making excuses.

You turned this into a race issue to distract further and as usual and you failed. You implied I was being racist for posting a story that every local media outlet had as a top story. You failed there again.

ps She should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

Bullshit. You tried to peddle misleading information and I caught you.
She cheated and admitted it.
You don't seem to understand that basic fact. Stop making excuses.

You turned this into a race issue to distract further and as usual and you failed. You implied I was being racist for posting a story that every local media outlet had as a top story. You failed there again.

ps She should be fired.

Black cops in the TPS have a 1.7% success rate for promotions, skoob.
Why do you think that is?

Apologize for the false accusation, skoob.
The policy change was approved by the board and then cancelled.
You fell on your face again.

Clarke explained her frustration that after years of working internally on committees and finally achieving promises that the promotions process would be more fair and Black officers would finally have a level playing field and a shot at moving up the ranks, the TPS Board-approved plan to provide the interview questions in advance to all was abruptly shelved with no explanation.

 

[Skoob]

Black cops in the TPS have a 1.7% success rate for promotions, skoob.
Why do you think that is?

Apologize for the false accusation, skoob.
The policy change was approved by the board and then cancelled.
You fell on your face again.

Clarke explained her frustration that after years of working internally on committees and finally achieving promises that the promotions process would be more fair and Black officers would finally have a level playing field and a shot at moving up the ranks, the TPS Board-approved plan to provide the interview questions in advance to all was abruptly shelved with no explanation.

A policy change that was cancelled is not a policy.
You spread misinformation and I caught you.

She purposely cheated and admitted to the 7 misconduct charges. She even knows that what she did was not right.

You don't have a leg to stand on and neither does she.

She should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

A policy change that was cancelled is not a policy.
You spread misinformation and I caught you.

A policy that was approved by the board to combat 1.7% promotion rate for black cops is not a policy?

 

[Skoob]

A policy that was approved by the board to combat 1.7% promotion rate for black cops is not a policy?

It was cancelled. i.e. not in effect. i.e. not to be followed.

She knew that. She went ahead anyway.

But here's what makes it worse...she did so in secret for select officers and was caught.

She didn't announce that she was going to do it in advance despite the policy being cancelled because she believed in her cause. She just cheated.

Accept that simple fact...like she did...like the tribunal did.

She should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

The big story is that this is ultimately a veiled attack on EDI initiatives.

Stacy Clarke did a huge disservice to said EDI initiatives through her misconduct because the right will now have ammo, to bolster their erroneous and bigoted narrative, that black people are not good enough, and that the only reason they succeed is because they cheat the system via EDI initiatives.

How many times have we read on this very board where people have derided someone they did not like - for example Karine Jean-Pierre the Whitehouse press secretary, as a "diversity hire" just because she is black and gay, as if she could not succeed on her own merit or that EDI initiatives and merit were inversely proportional?

In reality this is neither a big story, nor this misconduct the most egregious scandal to ever befall the TPS. A demotion is therefore more than an appropriate punishment when more egregious crimes are met with a slap on the wrist.

Infact, calls to fire her, further drives home the point she is trying to make where she said she felt "invisible" and powerless to do anything about the systemic bias she encountered. By firing her, you are denying her reality and the reality of the many black police officers at the TPS, and denying the existence of systemic bias. That is once again systemic bias 101.

Exactly, this entire thread is an attack on the only black superintendent the TPS has ever hired. Skoob and others are using it to try to suggest black cops are inherently 'corrupt' and that the 1.7% promotion rate is because they are 'unqualified' as suggested in this thread.

This was a minor internal issue over promotions that turned into this year's 'busty lemieux' story. A little nothing event taken out to the rage farm and turned into some right wing sign that the system is broken.

 

[silentkisser]

Exactly, this entire thread is an attack on the only black superintendent the TPS has ever hired. Skoob and others are using it to try to suggest black cops are inherently 'corrupt' and that the 1.7% promotion rate is because they are 'unqualified' as suggested in this thread.

This was a minor internal issue over promotions that turned into this year's 'busty lemieux' story. A little nothing event taken out to the rage farm and turned into some right wing sign that the system is broken.

Totally agree with the belief this was brought up as an anti-DEI/EDI attack.

But...I think this officer should be punished, regardless of her intentions. She corrupted the process here, and it is a disservice to officers of colour on the force. We all know the right-wing have made the thought of anyone but white people getting good jobs is because they got a boost. But, as we all know, DEI does not mean the person is unqualified. It just means they are given a shot. People were quick to blame Boeing's recent bad press and catastrophes on DEI with absolutely no evidence, when it was actually capitalism that hurt the company. They want to blame any problem on DEI instead of where real blame actually belongs.

 

[Skoob]

The big story is that this is ultimately a veiled attack on EDI initiatives.

Stacy Clarke did a huge disservice to said EDI initiatives through her misconduct because the right will now have ammo, to bolster their erroneous and bigoted narrative, that black people are not good enough, and that the only reason they succeed is because they cheat the system via EDI initiatives.

How many times have we read on this very board where people have derided someone they did not like - for example Karine Jean-Pierre the Whitehouse press secretary, as a "diversity hire" just because she is black and gay, as if she could not succeed on her own merit or that EDI initiatives and merit were inversely proportional?

In reality this is neither a big story, nor this misconduct the most egregious scandal to ever befall the TPS. A demotion is therefore more than an appropriate punishment when more egregious crimes are met with a slap on the wrist.

Infact, calls to fire her, further drives home the point she is trying to make where she said she felt "invisible" and powerless to do anything about the systemic bias she encountered. By firing her, you are denying her reality and the reality of the many black police officers at the TPS, and denying the existence of systemic bias. That is once again systemic bias 101.

She felt invisible? Systemic bias? Systemic bias 101?

She's a black female officer who was promoted to superintendent by a black police chief. That wouldn't happen if your claims were true. It's a weak argument to cloud the actual incident.

You can stop making excuses and just accept the fact that this has nothing to do with race, opportunity, or bias. It has everything to do with a high ranking police officer who cheated, was caught, and admitted to all 7 counts of misconduct.

A temporary demotion is essentially a slap on the wrist.

She should be fired. As should anyone else in the same situation.

 

[Skoob]

The fact that she was promoted says nothing about why only 1.7% of black officers are promoted, or the existence of systemic bias which is actually documented and acknowledged. What you are relying on is called tokenism. Its like saying "But I have black friends...". It means nothing and it does not in any way negate or discredit the existence of systemic bias. Firing her would therefore further solidify said systemic bias. A demotion as requested by both the prosecution and defence, is therefore more than appropriate.

And if she or other visible minorities were never promoted into high ranking positions you would be saying the same thing. Quite the flip-flop argument.

Stop trying to excuse her and making this into a race issue. It's not.

She cheated and broke the public trust especially with her high position. Period.

If anyone did this in a non-union scenario they would be fired instantly.

She should be fired.

 

[Skoob]

The entire discussion IS a race issue and IS about systemic bias. That is what Stacy Clarke herself has said in her testimony. So how can you ignore that? It is very much a part of the convo.

So no, it is not a simple case of misconduct. It is misconduct in the context of existing systemic bias that is well documented and acknowledged.

While the misconduct needs to be punished, the context in which it was committed should not be ignored or the misconduct itself be allowed to overshadow a persistent and entrenched problem. Because it is systemic bias that is the bigger problem, not the misconduct.

Therefore the punishment needs to be commensurate with the seriousness of her errors, and a demotion is more than sufficient. Along with that, systemic bias needs to be tackled and the process made more fair for everyone involved.

She used race as an excuse for her misconduct after the fact. ie she played the race card. As did you.

It's a case of misconduct that would result in dismissal if it happened anywhere else.

She was entrusted with a position of high ranking officer by the public and TPS and she broke that trust. Cheating is not an excuse to bypass policy regardless what someone's beliefs are. It sets an awful precedent and that's why an example should be made of her accordingly.

I would be saying the same thing regardless of the person's race in a similar situation. Stop playing racial politics and overlooking misconduct as serious as this.

She should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

And if she or other visible minorities were never promoted into high ranking positions you would be saying the same thing. Quite the flip-flop argument.

Stop trying to excuse her and making this into a race issue. It's not.

She cheated and broke the public trust especially with her high position. Period.

If anyone did this in a non-union scenario they would be fired instantly.

She should be fired.

This is a race issue, its the only reason you are still arguing about a TPS internal issue.
She should be reprimanded but not fired.
They should enact allowing everyone to see the questions for promotions and work to fix that 1.7% promotion rate for black cops.

 

[Skoob]

This is a race issue, its the only reason you are still arguing about a TPS internal issue.
She should be reprimanded but not fired.
They should enact allowing everyone to see the questions for promotions and work to fix that 1.7% promotion rate for black cops.

It's a race issue because you are making it one in an effort to make excuses for misconduct. Just like her lawyers are.
Otherwise we have a cop who cheated and has admitted to 7 counts of misconduct.
That cop is protected by a union and that's the only reason she is not being fired.

The fact that she's a black woman in a high ranking position, promoted by a black chief, goes against the narrative you are trying to peddle.

She should be fired.

 

[Skoob]

It does not matter what you would hypothetically say or not say.

What matters is what you are missing.

You are missing that race IS important to this discussion because Stacy Clarke herself has said that systemic racism preventing black people from getting promotions left her feeling powerless, invisible and frustrated. So a race discussion is not just unavoidable but is infact needed.

Given systemic racism and bias exist, denying said systemic racism, and attempting to nullify her concerns, which are a) documented and acknowledged and b) that she herself has said motivated her actions, is infact playing racial politics by trying to make it seem like it is a pure misconduct issue. It was not. It was systemic bias that motivated her actions and therefore it is the systemic bias that is more important for us to focus on than the misconduct itself. The misconduct was a consequence of a more serious and persistent issue.

In the context of this a demotion is more than appropriate.

It's ironic she tried to peddle the excuse about black people not getting promoted after she herself was promoted and by a black chief. So she decides to cheat and help others get promoted by cheating?

Her story is bullshit and she is playing the race card.

Regardless, whether you want to keep sympathizing and believe it's a race issue really doesn't matter.
What matters is she has been found guilty of 7 counts of misconduct. She admitted it.

TPS has been doing a lot of good things in ensuring fairness...she just burnt that all to the ground with her sorry ass excuses after she was caught cheating.

She should be fired, not temporarily or permanently demoted. Fired.