Stacy Clarke...should be fired...

[Skoob]

Excuses?

Toronto Police Admit Systemic Racism: Damning Statistics Show Police Targeting of Black Torontonians and Other Racialized Communities - Falconers LLP

Leading human rights and police accountability firm Falconers LLP responds to Toronto Police admission of systemic racism.

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Moving goal posts?
Your article describes TPS's historical relationship with communities...it's not about hiring practices.

 

[Frankfooter]

Wrong.
That 1.7% was a one-time summary when TPS had 58 applications from black candidates. It is not indicative of anything other than that single occurrence which could have been the case for a variety of reasons.

Stop spreading misinformation. It's proof you are out to lunch on this one and are desperately trying to make a race issue out of misconduct.

It wasn't a one time summary, according to the article, skoob.
You made that part up.

Your article suggests that Clarke may have thought the policy to allow everyone to see the questions in advance was passed.

The proposed solution that Clarke championed was a new procedure that involved providing everyone with questions in advance.

“It was based on feedback from 500 Toronto police officers, not 500 Black officers, who thought the promotional process was unfair,” said Audrey Campbell of the Jamaican Canadian Association, who has testified for Clarke.

The Toronto Police Service Board oversees the police service, and even though it adopted the new plan, the police service didn’t put it into practice, Adjetey testified.

“Before its implementation, the TPS made an executive decision without warning to suspend the new process and revert to the original, unfair practice that the members identified in the external review,” wrote Adjetey in a report entered into evidence.

“It stands to reason that had the TPS implemented the new promotional process, Supt. Clarke would not have felt the desperate need to flatten the playing field by providing Black officers with the interview questions,” he wrote.

It’s not clear why the policy was never adopted. A TPS spokesperson said that the service would not comment while the tribunal was under way, but said it would respond after its conclusion.

“It was fully accepted, and these officers truly believed it would be implemented. And someone along the way decided that they weren’t going to implement all of it,” Campbell said outside the hearing.

 

[Frankfooter]

Moving goal posts?
Your article describes TPS's historical relationship with communities...it's not about hiring practices.

You don't think they are related?

 

[SchlongConery]

Moving goal posts?
Your article describes TPS's historical relationship with communities...it's not about hiring practices.

exactly. But there is no doubt that there is systemic racism against blacks in Toronto and other police forces. Maybe it is learned from on the job experience or maybe cops just hate blacks in general and want to oppress them as a race.

As for the 1.7% figure.

I'm confused as to if that was a percentage of how many black police officers that applied for promotion were promoted as I think @Frankfooter and @Kautilya might be (correctly) suggesting.

And if so, what does that mean in absolute numbers?

Or, 1.7% is the percentage of new hires that are black?

I don't know.

But in trying to figure it out, I found that TPS only hires 1% of the applicants across the board. Police forces are having a hard time hiring. It's a pretty shitty, stressful, thankless job with lots of risk and only attracts a pretty narrow window of society. I may be generalizing here but my impression is that the so-called "black community" expresses pretty negative views of police and anyone involved with them. I wonder what kind of black individual would add possible social ostracization to the downsides of becoming a police officer in the first place? I have and do date black girls and although they are obviously very accepting of me being white, by and large, they say their families would frown upon bringing me to meet their mother. Maybe because I'm often more than their age too!

Are Toronto-area police forces finding it harder to recruit after years of turbulence? | Globalnews.ca

Police forces around the Greater Toronto Area are preparing for 2024 with some concerned that attracting new police officers has never been harder.

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"In 2022, for example, the Toronto Police Service received 3,370 applications and hired just 335 officers.

“We only take the most competitive and qualified candidates,” the Toronto police spokesperson said."


The overall number of applications to become a police officer in or around Toronto over the past five years appears to have dropped slightly, although thousands still apply every year.

 

[Frankfooter]

And if so, what does that mean in absolute numbers?

Or, 1.7% is the percentage of new hires that are black?

1.7% of black officers who applied for promotions were successful.
58 black cops applied over who knows how long and only 1 was promoted.

 

[SchlongConery]

And to the entire promotion system at TPS. It's always been highly influenced by nepotism and buddy-buddies. Guys who look to be promoted up the ranks also act differently in their day-to-day work and outlook. Not unlike any industry or profession.

 

[Skoob]

It wasn't a one time summary, according to the article, skoob.
You made that part up.

Your article suggests that Clarke may have thought the policy to allow everyone to see the questions in advance was passed.

The proposed solution that Clarke championed was a new procedure that involved providing everyone with questions in advance.
“It was based on feedback from 500 Toronto police officers, not 500 Black officers, who thought the promotional process was unfair,” said Audrey Campbell of the Jamaican Canadian Association, who has testified for Clarke.
The Toronto Police Service Board oversees the police service, and even though it adopted the new plan, the police service didn’t put it into practice, Adjetey testified.
“Before its implementation, the TPS made an executive decision without warning to suspend the new process and revert to the original, unfair practice that the members identified in the external review,” wrote Adjetey in a report entered into evidence.
“It stands to reason that had the TPS implemented the new promotional process, Supt. Clarke would not have felt the desperate need to flatten the playing field by providing Black officers with the interview questions,” he wrote.
It’s not clear why the policy was never adopted. A TPS spokesperson said that the service would not comment while the tribunal was under way, but said it would respond after its conclusion.
“It was fully accepted, and these officers truly believed it would be implemented. And someone along the way decided that they weren’t going to implement all of it,” Campbell said outside the hearing.

It was a one-time summary based on when there were 58 black applicants.
Stop distracting and spreading misinformation.

 

[Skoob]

You don't think they are related?

Ah yes, when your "numbers" fail and you fall on your face trying to peddle misleading information you pivot.
Stop spreading misinformation and making excuses for cheaters.

 

[Skoob]

No he didn't. And also, on the issue of community safety and relations, systemic racism will still impact it, when your hiring does not reflect demographics of the community you are policing.

Adjetey highlighted a 2021 Toronto Police Services Board meeting where then-mayor John Tory asked the service whether it had structured the promotion process in a way that disadvantaged Black candidates.

“Maybe ask the chief and the service to do a little bit more to look into this and to decide if there’s something wrong,” Tory said at the time, pointing to statistics that of a pool of 58 Black applicants, 13.7 per cent were interviewed, and 1.7 per cent were hired.

Adjetey said outside the hearing that favoured officers often got special treatment, and thanks to the makeup of the TPS’s senior staff, that broke down on racial lines

Like I said, you referenced a one-time occurrence, i.e. cherry picked, and then used that as the basis of your argument.
Stop making excuses and spreading misleading information.
She cheated and should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

It was a one-time summary based on when there were 58 black applicants.
Stop distracting and spreading misinformation.

And over what time period were those applicants, skoob?

 

[Frankfooter]

Ah yes, when your "numbers" fail and you fall on your face trying to peddle misleading information you pivot.
Stop spreading misinformation and making excuses for cheaters.

I've been posting quotes from the articles you've posted, skoob.
You just didn't read them.

 

[Frankfooter]

Like I said, you referenced a one-time occurrence, i.e. cherry picked, and then used that as the basis of your argument.
Stop making excuses and spreading misleading information.
She cheated and should be fired.

How do you know those 58 applicants weren't the sum total over 5 years, skoob?

 

[Skoob]

1.7% of black officers who applied for promotions were successful.
58 black cops applied over who knows how long and only 1 was promoted.

OMFG you can't even get the facts straight and then expect anyone to debate with you while you twist things to suit your narrative.

This particular stat was not about promotions. It was about applicants. ie people applying to join TPS.
58 applied
8 were interviewed
1 was hired

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Skoob]

How do you know those 58 applicants weren't the sum total over 5 years, skoob?

Because it says "pool". A pool suggests a specific point in time when applications were being submitted/accepted.
Why would they say "pool" if that number was accumulated over several years?

 

[Skoob]

I've been posting quotes from the articles you've posted, skoob.
You just didn't read them.

yes you still try and twist the narrative and hide the fact that your 1.7% stat is out of context with this issue regarding a high ranking officer who cheated.

 

[Frankfooter]

OMFG you can't even get the facts straight and then expect anyone to debate with you while you twist things to suit your narrative.

This particular stat was not about promotions. It was about applicants. ie people applying to join TPS.
58 applied
8 were interviewed
1 was hired

Stop spreading misinformation.

I am right, skoob.
As usual.

The tribunal was told only 1.7% of Black candidates are promoted. But two wrongs don’t make a right — even to serve the almighty god of diversity, equity and inclusion.

 

[Frankfooter]

yes you still try and twist the narrative and hide the fact that your 1.7% stat is out of context with this issue regarding a high ranking officer who cheated.

Why do you keep calling for a harsher punishment than the prosecutor, skoob?
Why do you excuse all other police issues?

The proposed solution that Clarke championed was a new procedure that involved providing everyone with questions in advance.

“It was based on feedback from 500 Toronto police officers, not 500 Black officers, who thought the promotional process was unfair,” said Audrey Campbell of the Jamaican Canadian Association, who has testified for Clarke.

The Toronto Police Service Board oversees the police service, and even though it adopted the new plan, the police service didn’t put it into practice, Adjetey testified.

“Before its implementation, the TPS made an executive decision without warning to suspend the new process and revert to the original, unfair practice that the members identified in the external review,” wrote Adjetey in a report entered into evidence.

“It stands to reason that had the TPS implemented the new promotional process, Supt. Clarke would not have felt the desperate need to flatten the playing field by providing Black officers with the interview questions,” he wrote.

It’s not clear why the policy was never adopted. A TPS spokesperson said that the service would not comment while the tribunal was under way, but said it would respond after its conclusion.

 

[Skoob]

I am right, skoob.
As usual.

The tribunal was told only 1.7% of Black candidates are promoted. But two wrongs don’t make a right — even to serve the almighty god of diversity, equity and inclusion.

Nope...

Tory said at the time, pointing to statistics that of a pool of 58 Black applicants, 13.7 per cent were interviewed, and 1.7 per cent were hired.
https://www.cp24.com/news/systemic-...for-helping-racialized-police-cheat-1.6879486

 

[Skoob]

Why do you keep calling for a harsher punishment than the prosecutor, skoob?
Why do you excuse all other police issues?

The proposed solution that Clarke championed was a new procedure that involved providing everyone with questions in advance.
“It was based on feedback from 500 Toronto police officers, not 500 Black officers, who thought the promotional process was unfair,” said Audrey Campbell of the Jamaican Canadian Association, who has testified for Clarke.
The Toronto Police Service Board oversees the police service, and even though it adopted the new plan, the police service didn’t put it into practice, Adjetey testified.
“Before its implementation, the TPS made an executive decision without warning to suspend the new process and revert to the original, unfair practice that the members identified in the external review,” wrote Adjetey in a report entered into evidence.
“It stands to reason that had the TPS implemented the new promotional process, Supt. Clarke would not have felt the desperate need to flatten the playing field by providing Black officers with the interview questions,” he wrote.
It’s not clear why the policy was never adopted. A TPS spokesperson said that the service would not comment while the tribunal was under way, but said it would respond after its conclusion.

Prosecutor said dismissal was usually the punishment fort his level of misconduct.
I guess her sob story inspired him to go easier on her. Ask him.

I still think he should have followed what the normal punishment would be. She should be fired.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope...

Tory said at the time, pointing to statistics that of a pool of 58 Black applicants, 13.7 per cent were interviewed, and 1.7 per cent were hired.
https://www.cp24.com/news/systemic-...for-helping-racialized-police-cheat-1.6879486

I posted a quote with link proving my claim, skoob.
Deal with it.

Prosecutor said dismissal was usually the punishment fort his level of misconduct.
I guess her sob story inspired him to go easier on her. Ask him.

I still think he should have followed what the normal punishment would be. She should be fired.

Yes, we know.
She's black so you think she should be fired but all other cops should be treated easier.

That's why this is a thread and not this:

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