strippers turning to escorting

[afterhours]

Im not speaking about my business. As a whole, Body Rub parlors are exactly that...Body Rub parlors. Very different than a hj in the VIP of a strip club.

if it was different you would not be on this board, would you?

realistically speaking, any MP is at a mercy of the neighbours who may complain and of the police who may easily collect evidence and lay charges.
It should be noted that it certainly helps to stay in business if the owner and the girls are not Chinese or Russians.

 

[cute-bald]

It would be BOTH . In a legal case the crime of " soliciting for the purposes of in a public place" is a minimum that must be established to support the charge " found in ....". BECAUSE if you do not establish there is any soliciting for the purpose of ..... & carrying out that soliciting, THEN you have no bawdy house.

 

[MPAsquared]

Oh goodness...all I was saying is that I have spoken to a number of SPs recently and they are all saying the same thing...they want out! their bodies cant handle the extensive mileage demands. And its causing girls to down-grade mileage instead of the expected upgrade, therefore turning to massage. And many dancers have said they are tired of working in clubs with MP & SP activities going on left and right.

Im just speaking from my experience and recent discussions.

 

[dj1470]

I personally know of one stripper who started dancing, then lap dances, then hj's in the backroom, then bj's in the back room, then 1 sog in the back room, then 1/2 hrs in the motel next door, then she joined an agency, and now she is one of the most popular SP's at a major TO agency. The whole process took less than 1 year.

 

[afterhours]

It would be BOTH . In a legal case the crime of " soliciting for the purposes of in a public place" is a minimum that must be established to support the charge " found in ....". BECAUSE if you do not establish there is any soliciting for the purpose of ..... & carrying out that soliciting, THEN you have no bawdy house.

umm no it's not a "minimum" at all
normally the cops would go in a few times and get the solicitation offers from whoever was massaging them at the time
they may also question the patrons as they exit the place
then they form the grounds that the place is a bawdy house, raid the place and charge EVERYBODy who is inside

a particular Jane Doe charged may be there for the first time in her life having never had solicited anyone (yet), or may be for the purpose for changing the lightbulb. If the case goes to court and it is established that the place indeed is a bawdy house, then Jane Doe may come up with a "reasonable excuse" as to why she was there. The court said that electricians, plumbers and gardiners have a reasonable excuse.

if you think that's unfair you haven't seen anything yet
Our Supreme Court and others have held that the premises themselves may fall under the definition of a "common bawdy-house" without any direct proof that illicit sexual acts took place on a premises. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1991/1991canlii96/1991canlii96.pdf
Even evidence of the reputation of the house in the community (which ordinarily would obviously be fucking hearsay) is admissible.

 

[james t kirk]

Dancers offering take out is nothing new.

Women selling sex - well, isn't that called "the World's Oldest Profession"

Who cares, it's all the sex industry.

 

[GotGusto]

Actually, I have noticed a trend of escorts wanting to move to lower-mileage aspects of the adult biz. And dancers wanting to work in an environment where they dont have to stress services offered. Massage being that happy medium.

Considering Massage Attendants earn the same or more than escorts, and the mileage demands on escorts nowadays are INSANE! Pretty much as an SP if you dont offer DFK, BLS, BBBJ, BBBJCIM, Greek, etc...than you dont earn as much as the girls that do. Add in the CL-prices and bare back demands increasing...I know so many escorts that want out.

With dancers, the demand for hj's, slides, and fs are there to compete with MP's...many dancers realize that they can work in a legal environment (and during day hours) and actually enjoy some of these items (minus the FS, lol) in a spa.

From my personal experience lately...I see the great SP's and Dancers being replaced with cheap risky service demands...and its only a bonus for the massage world that girls are learning that they can earn the same $$ or more in an MP without wearing out their bodies/minds. From a female's persective, its fascinating.

lol nice advertisement.

 

[mac]

Oh goodness...all I was saying is that I have spoken to a number of SPs recently and they are all saying the same thing...they want out! their bodies cant handle the extensive mileage demands. And its causing girls to down-grade mileage instead of the expected upgrade, therefore turning to massage. And many dancers have said they are tired of working in clubs with MP & SP activities going on left and right.

Im just speaking from my experience and recent discussions.

I agree with your assessment. It should come as no surprise that IG's would want to work in an enviroment which provides the best income for the lowest effort. From the customer's point of view, this low effort for high dollar return translate to the lowest value per dollar expensed. Personally I don't find this a outlet to spend my dollars.

 

[Brill]

Oh goodness...all I was saying is that I have spoken to a number of SPs recently and they are all saying the same thing...they want out! their bodies cant handle the extensive mileage demands. And its causing girls to down-grade mileage instead of the expected upgrade, therefore turning to massage. And many dancers have said they are tired of working in clubs with MP & SP activities going on left and right.

Im just speaking from my experience and recent discussions.

I believe your experience is true, their careers may be shortened by the crap they have to deal with or they might choose to scale back to massage parlours or cut back on their menus.

But do the discussions include newcomers to the business? There's always a supply of fresh women who will offer whatever the market demands.

 

[MPAsquared]

I agree with your assessment. It should come as no surprise that IG's would want to work in an enviroment which provides the best income for the lowest effort. From the customer's point of view, this low effort for high dollar return translate to the lowest value per dollar expensed. Personally I don't find this a outlet to spend my dollars.

I think that dollars well spent should be based on the quality of the experience, and not only the mileage offered. You can have a mindblowing session with a smaller menu, and shitty service on an expanded menu. and visa versa, of course.

I believe your experience is true, their careers may be shortened by the crap they have to deal with or they might choose to scale back to massage parlours or cut back on their menus.

But do the discussions include newcomers to the business? There's always a supply of fresh women who will offer whatever the market demands.

Agreed. I guess research is key.

And just for u GG, i took my signature out. *rolling my eyes*

 

[scarlet6969]

Oh goodness...all I was saying is that I have spoken to a number of SPs recently and they are all saying the same thing...they want out! their bodies cant handle the extensive mileage demands. And its causing girls to down-grade mileage instead of the expected upgrade, therefore turning to massage. And many dancers have said they are tired of working in clubs with MP & SP activities going on left and right.

Im just speaking from my experience and recent discussions.

this is why i do independant massage instead of being an sp anymore... it was just getting to be too hard on me

 

[Rockslinger]

this is why i do independant massage instead of being an sp anymore... it was just getting to be too hard on me

On the other hand, another indy MPA has expanded her services to also include GFE (if the guy asks in advance).

P.S. I know several SC dancers who went straight to SP and skipped MPA altogether.

 

[scarlet6969]

i'm just done with that stage in my life

 

[C Dick]

Another factor that might be involved is that technology has made it possible for an independent SP to get plenty of customers without street walking. With Massage and strip clubs, the girl is not independent, there is the house that collects their piece of the action, and imposes a fair amount of restrictions on the providers, including ones that seem unreasonable, such as what they are allowed to do away from work. Particularly for someone with lots of industry experiense, not having a boss to control them is worth something.

 

[Rockslinger]

i'm just done with that stage in my life

I know what yoy mean. It is "mother time" catching up to us. Hee, hee, hee.

 

[scarlet6969]

well i am single so i have no one to breed with so..... thats not nessessarily the case.... i was just finding it was hard on my body psyically

 

[scarlet6969]

i'm tired of being tired all the time i find it exhausting

 

[Rockslinger]

i'm tired of being tired all the time i find it exhausting

My RMT (yes, a real RMT) said that she finds her job a lot more taxing at age 40 than when she was 30. She is 5'2" and constantly bending over and massaging arms, backs, legs, bums (but no privates) is physically hard work. On the other hand, still better than hammering shingles on a roof.

 

[MPAsquared]

this is why i do independant massage instead of being an sp anymore... it was just getting to be too hard on me

See. Thankyou scarlet, you confirmed my point

On the other hand, another indy MPA has expanded her services to also include GFE (if the guy asks in advance).

P.S. I know several SC dancers who went straight to SP and skipped MPA altogether.

To each their own darlin'

Another factor that might be involved is that technology has made it possible for an independent SP to get plenty of customers without street walking. With Massage and strip clubs, the girl is not independent, there is the house that collects their piece of the action, and imposes a fair amount of restrictions on the providers, including ones that seem unreasonable, such as what they are allowed to do away from work. Particularly for someone with lots of industry experiense, not having a boss to control them is worth something.

Who does that? Controls what they do away from work? Maybe some places u go, but none that I ever worked in, associated with, or know currently. Yuck!
Keep in mind the house also provides alot. A safe environment, social aspect, security, advertising, supplies, professional and emotional support, financial organization assistance and more...(well, we do! and then some) but most provide much of what I mentioned. The restrictions are what keep it as massage and not SP-ing. Alot of indies cant deal with the added mileage demands, because there are no more "house rules". its a catch22. And whatever works for the girl is whats best for her.

 

[vixen69]

See. Thankyou scarlet, you confirmed my point




To each their own darlin'



Who does that? Controls what they do away from work? Maybe some places u go, but none that I ever worked in, associated with, or know currently. Yuck!
Keep in mind the house also provides alot. A safe environment, social aspect, security, advertising, supplies, professional and emotional support, financial organization assistance and more...(well, we do! and then some) but most provide much of what I mentioned. The restrictions are what keep it as massage and not SP-ing. Alot of indies cant deal with the added mileage demands, because there are no more "house rules". its a catch22. And whatever works for the girl is whats best for her.

I agree