Sugar Baby/Sugar Daddy

[flora.revel]

For LatikaDD...

How do people on here define the sugar baby/sugar daddy relationship? What's involved?

A monthly salary?
An exclusive arrangement?
Special gifts?
Marriage??

I know some folks think of these arrangements as outside of the "professional" arena as the boundaries and guidelines for the relationship may be less defined. As far as I can see, some marriages/relationships are essentially of the sugar baby/sugar daddy variety.

 

[Bear669]

Memories of a Lap Sugar Bear!

For LatikaDD...

How do people on here define the sugar baby/sugar daddy relationship? What's involved?

A monthly salary?
An exclusive arrangement?
Special gifts?
Marriage??

I know some folks think of these arrangements as outside of the "professional" arena as the boundaries and guidelines for the relationship may be less defined. As far as I can see, some marriages/relationships are essentially of the sugar baby/sugar daddy variety.

Very good questions- and there have been a number of good threads/posts over the years. But, I cannot find any of them at the moment! ?

As noted the SD thing can be a marriage, with a pre-nup and I think to make the distinction, the SD does NOT expect the SB to love him.

There are a huge range of options and as many variations as two people can dream up.

Minimal- SD provides a weekly or monthly allowance. Its probably assumed that this will go on for a number of months at least. SB guarantees a substantial number of hours per week. You could just call it a volume discount for a favoured regular I suppose.

Complex- Written agreement with the allowance, time off (with pay), EXCLUSIVE- SB sees no other clients (possible totally exclusive- No SO), contract term, details of service etc (ie. she mustnt gain more than 10 lbs, no tattoes). Allowance can be cash and/or cars, home, travel.

Examples- Hugh Hefner. $2,000 pm, Mansion home, (i.e. room & board) and a car to drive (not keep). PLUS a lot of TV and modelling income. Pretty sure the girls couldnt fuck anyone else.

Post on TERB a few years ago by a guy who sniffed at big $ SBs. He had two "amateurs" paid their rent in Toronto ($1-$2,000) took them out on dates & was nice to their kids. I think they were exclusive to him, and knew he was married.

Typical range in TO $5-$10,000 per month + gifts, average 24 hours per week. Usually exclusive. This would be a a TOP rated SP who is totally GFE/GWE with one of her fav clients.

 

[Meister]

I would find that so lame. I mean if I had 150 to 200k to blow every year I certainly wouldn't do it on some girl sitting in some condo waiting for your call. I might as well tattoo a big "L" on my forehead. It's so fake.

 

[yippie]

Written agreement with the allowance, time off (with pay), EXCLUSIVE- SB sees no other clients (possible totally exclusive- No SO), contract term, details of service etc (ie. she mustnt gain more than 10 lbs, no tattoes). Allowance can be cash and/or cars, home, travel.

they've even had to sign confidentiality agreements.

What possible purpose could these written agreements serve? Is the guy actually going to go to court to have them enforced?

 

[Keebler Elf]

she is expected to be at their beck and call and she cannot be seeing anyone else personally or professionally.

LOL!!!

Yeah right, we know how well that works out! Just ask Hef!!!

There's nothing hotter than banging a "kept woman" on the side! I love thinking how some other guy is paying all her bills while I'm spraying down her face!

 

[Mikehorn]

What possible purpose could these written agreements serve? Is the guy actually going to go to court to have them enforced?

I'm sure we'll see it on Judge Judy eventually... and the girl will go on and on about how "controlling" the guy is...

 

[dreamblade]

It's an interesting phenomenon. As a nurturing dominant-type, I can somewhat understand the appeal, but it would have to involve more than just a cash-for-sex relationship. As meister said, it would feel fake and superficial to me. There needs to be genuine affection if I am to tie the know with someone.

Monogamy doesn't need to be part of the deal, either. Age, availability, sex drive, hobbies, interests, and individual ethics will determine weather a couple is monogamous or not. That is in any relationship, not just a sugar daddy/baby arrangement.

 

[Questor]

it really depends...i know one or two people who are being sugar daddies and in return for

i) $8000 a month
ii) condo to live in (she gets to live there but not ownership) and all bills taken care of
iii) car
iv) gifts
v) travel

she is expected to be at their beck and call and she cannot be seeing anyone else personally or professionally. these girls have appeared in playboy etc. they've even had to sign confidentiality agreements.

I'm not sure why you would know "one or two". Its hard to confuse those 2 numbers. But your $ figures interest me.

$8000 X 12 = $96,000
Condo - not sure how to calculate, but let's start with taxes and fees, plus carrying costs on the condo -either a mortgage or lost income from investment. Say $12,000 for fees and $5000 for tax. And 5% on a $500,000 condo. That would be $25,000 for a total of $42,000.
Car - not sure, but let's say $10,000 for lease payments, insurance and gas.
Gifts - clothing, shoes, jewelry, etc. Well, let's assume the guys not a cheapskate, given the numbers I've put down already. Say $10,000.
Travel - This could vary a lot, as could gifts. Say $10,000.

Total: $168,000

What possible purpose could these written agreements serve? Is the guy actually going to go to court to have them enforced?

A written agreement could serve the purpose of clarifying the responsibilities for both parties. Doesn't mean either is going to court.

I would find that so lame. I mean if I had 150 to 200k to blow every year I certainly wouldn't do it on some girl sitting in some condo waiting for your call. I might as well tattoo a big "L" on my forehead. It's so fake.

I agree with the first part. I'd need to have a lot more than 150 to 200k before I start to put that kind of money into it. I guess I'd want to be pulling in around $5M in income, have 2 or 3 houses bought and paid for, and have a substantial investment portfolio. But I don't know why this puts a big L on the guy's forehead any more than booking a 1 hour appointment with a SP. Surely you have a more open mind than that if you have close to 4000 posts on an escort review board. Unless you have a big L on your forehead. I think also that it might be possible to find a lady that got something more than just cash from the deal, so it wouldn't be quite so fake as you suggest. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Meister]

I agree with the first part. I'd need to have a lot more than 150 to 200k before I start to put that kind of money into it. I guess I'd want to be pulling in around $5M in income, have 2 or 3 houses bought and paid for, and have a substantial investment portfolio. But I don't know why this puts a big L on the guy's forehead any more than booking a 1 hour appointment with a SP. Surely you have a more open mind than that if you have close to 4000 posts on an escort review board. Unless you have a big L on your forehead. I think also that it might be possible to find a lady that got something more than just cash from the deal, so it wouldn't be quite so fake as you suggest. But that's just my opinion.

I think most guys on this board see SPs because their own relationship, which they are locked into, is lacking. Seeing an escort for an hour is just filling a physical need.

However, my Looser scenario is some old, single rich dude who enters into a SD relationship like that. It is like pretending you have some sort of relationship. Personally I would feel like such a zero if my social life has deteriorated to forking cash over for some lovin. And, if the lady is pretending she gets more than cash out of the deal then I think she watched "Pretty Woman" one too many times.

 

[Bear669]

Lol, well thats YOUR problem Sonny!

I think most guys on this board see SPs because their own relationship, which they are locked into, is lacking. Seeing an escort for an hour is just filling a physical need.

However, my Looser scenario is some old, single rich dude who enters into a SD relationship like that. It is like pretending you have some sort of relationship. Personally I would feel like such a zero if my social life has deteriorated to forking cash over for some lovin. And, if the lady is pretending she gets more than cash out of the deal then I think she watched "Pretty Woman" one too many times.

I dont pay for "lovin.." and do NOT want any SP to use the 'L" word even as fantasy play. It IS a relationship, called SUGAR DADDY.

My SBs and SP regulars have been no worse and usually WAAAAY better than my wives.

And yes the type of high level gals that make a SD thing worthwhile ARE into it for more than money.
They need a break from the biz, want a comfy client to spend time with without the admin hassles of booking several clients all week, and just enjoy being spoiled (which the best gals get from top clients anyway but likely more with the right SD)

Personally, I think guys that habitually book 1/2 or 1 hour are pitiful.

 

[Meister]

I dont pay for "lovin.." and do NOT want any SP to use the 'L" word even as fantasy play. It IS a relationship, called SUGAR DADDY.

My SBs and SP regulars have been no worse and usually WAAAAY better than my wives.

And yes the type of high level gals that make a SD thing worthwhile ARE into it for more than money.
They need a break from the biz, want a comfy client to spend time with without the admin hassles of booking several clients all week, and just enjoy being spoiled (which the best gals get from top clients anyway but likely more with the right SD)

Personally, I think guys that habitually book 1/2 or 1 hour are pitiful.

Good for you. If you think that fake admiration and emotions are worth the extra dough, then go for it.

 

[keepmovingforward]

you both make interesting points. there is no "right" way.

 

[Bear669]

REPEAT- I do NOT ask any SP...

Good for you. If you think that fake admiration and emotions are worth the extra dough, then go for it.

...to fake emotions. As a "one hour" kinda guy, you likely have no idea of the genuine playfulness and easy companionship that top gals bring to good clients, especially over extended visits.

"Admiration"? For what? Being old, fat, furry and a Viagra overdose fan? If YOU are getting fake admiration, way ta' go. I never have (and would never ask for it as a fantasy). Any gal who has known me more than a few hours knows that she can punch me in the arm when I say something "doh!", argue about which movie or TV show to watch, tell me the book I loaned was crappy, make me change my clothes when we go out and throw things out of my fridge.

As I noted in a recent review- if my favs are faking- wow give em the Oscars. Its how I am TREATED that matters. As has been explained to me, the best gals do NOT re-book annoying clients, and they do NOT book days and weekends with clients that they dont like. Why would they- THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER GOOD CLIENTS.

 

[Wizard Merlin]

...to fake emotions. As a "one hour" kinda guy, you likely have no idea of the genuine playfulness and easy companionship that top gals bring to good clients, especially over extended visits.

"Admiration"? For what? Being old, fat, furry and a Viagra overdose fan? If YOU are getting fake admiration, way ta' go. I never have (and would never ask for it as a fantasy). Any gal who has known me more than a few hours knows that she can punch me in the arm when I say something "doh!", argue about which movie or TV show to watch, tell me the book I loaned was crappy, make me change my clothes when we go out and throw things out of my fridge.

As I noted in a recent review- if my favs are faking- wow give em the Oscars. Its how I am TREATED that matters. As has been explained to me, the best gals do NOT re-book annoying clients, and they do NOT book days and weekends with clients that they dont like. Why would they- THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER GOOD CLIENTS.

To each his own, buddy. But I can tell you that I've had many awesome 1 hr sessions, that sometimes led to some friendships that didn't cost much at all, never mind 10's of thousands per month.

IMO if you have that much money to throw around you can have a multitude of hot civilians at your disposal at a fraction of an SD scenario. Then again it's your life and your money. Just do what works for you...

 

[Meister]

...to fake emotions. As a "one hour" kinda guy, you likely have no idea of the genuine playfulness and easy companionship that top gals bring to good clients, especially over extended visits.

"Admiration"? For what? Being old, fat, furry and a Viagra overdose fan? If YOU are getting fake admiration, way ta` go. I never have (and would never ask for it as a fantasy). Any gal who has known me more than a few hours knows that she can punch me in the arm when I say something "doh!", argue about which movie or TV show to watch, tell me the book I loaned was crappy, make me change my clothes when we go out and throw things out of my fridge.

As I noted in a recent review- if my favs are faking- wow give em the Oscars. Its how I am TREATED that matters. As has been explained to me, the best gals do NOT re-book annoying clients, and they do NOT book days and weekends with clients that they dont like. Why would they- THERE ARE ALWAYS OTHER GOOD CLIENTS.

Whatever floats your boat. Judging by your reaction it somehow seems a sore point with you. If you think the genuine playfulness is not fake then ask them if it is OK to keep seeing you every week, but you have to skip a few months of payments and start paying again in December. See what kind of playful comments you will receive then, lol.

btw, here is some recommended reading, lol:
Guys blows $9.7 million on hookers and drugs
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?289725-Guys-blows-9.7-million-on-hookers-and-drugs

 

[Bear669]

Some valid points....

To each his own, buddy. But I can tell you that I've had many awesome 1 hr sessions, that sometimes led to some friendships that didn't cost much at all, never mind 10's of thousands per month.

IMO if you have that much money to throw around you can have a multitude of hot civilians at your disposal at a fraction of an SD scenario. Then again it's your life and your money. Just do what works for you...

...but I decided 4 years ago I had no more use for civilians. They dont TASTE good! lol

 

[Wizard Merlin]

...but I decided 4 years ago I had no more use for civilians. They dont TASTE good! lol

You mean they don't take a shower before the session??? Come on Bear that's a travesty. I do agree that with civi's there are more headaches and drama. It's never perfect, such is life.

 

[Bear669]

What an amazingly stupid and rude thing to suggest

..................... If you think the genuine playfulness is not fake then ask them if it is OK to keep seeing you every week, but you have to skip a few months of payments and start paying again in December. See what kind of playful comments you will receive then, lol.

btw, here is some recommended reading, lol:
Guys blows $9.7 million on hookers and drugs

But shows where YOUR head is at.

As you obviously havent noticed, there have been countless posts over the years that could have explained to you-

If you have a friendly relationship with your dentist- do you expect free dentistry?
If your best friend owns a restaurant, do you expect free food?

The playfulness (oooh theres a heavy emotion) has nothing to do with me personally or other good clients, its intrinsic to all the top working ladies. Sadly, when they run into clients like you, they leave the business, or at least stop advertising (which has worked very well for me).

 

[Don]

IMHO, all a sugar daddy relationship is... is a long term booking. Instead of a 2 hour or 2 day booking, it is a booking that can last months or even years.

 

[Omega 600]

Through CL, I've just gotten involved in a Sugar Daddy type of arrangement. We have not had intercourse yet, but it's coming. I'm 45, she's a 20 yr old student still living with her parents. Very cute, a little larger, but so am I. In my calculations of what I pay for SP services (I like true GFE), what I've agreed to pay her is an hourly rate for the times I see her. She still lists it as me being her sugar daddy, I personally note it as personal SP services with a gal who (I believe) sees only me.
This is my first foray into this Sugar Daddy area, and I've left myself a fair bit of exit room in case it falls flat. I'm curious though how long these things typically last?