Sugar Dating Experience

[Leimonis]

This is the latest shit along those lines that I’ve been getting :

I’m open to moving things in a non-platonic direction, though I prefer us getting to know each other first of course. Iwill say I really don’t meet for free since it’s usually quite a hassle to “look presentable”, does that work for you?

And when I pointed out that I’m not looking to be rinsed she wouldn’t give up:

I mean, understandable— I’m willing to work with you on thatfront, but it also just feels a little pressuring to move quickly to incentivise intimacy, which is something I feel should be a little more built up or things can feel very one-sided, emotionally.

 

[Leimonis]

I can hire a companion for my elderly mother to come to her place and help prepare a meal and sit and be social with her for an hour at $25/hour

I am going to steal this and report back

 

[Cholla]

I am reading posts and just wondering.., This is kind of “romantic arrangement” which is fine. We agree on rate, etc. Then one side, SB, began asking for something extra - maybe gifts, dinners, even trips, etc. Why the other side - paying party - can’t introduce “tariffs” (very popular word now) in a form of anal, CIM, maybe even 3some as a “retaliation measure”?

 

[Leimonis]

I am reading posts and just wondering.., This is kind of “romantic arrangement” which is fine. We agree on rate, etc. Then one side, SB, began asking for something extra - maybe gifts, dinners, even trips, etc. Why the other side - paying party - can’t introduce “tariffs” (very popular word now) in a form of anal, CIM, maybe even 3some as a “retaliation measure”?

Those exchanges and tariffs can take any shape and form. Many years ago I knew a guy who would routinely beat up his gf and he would give her new shoes for a small beating and once he gave her a fur coat for a fairly brutal beating.
but I wouldn’t recommend forcing a threesome on someone who’s not into it. Or an anal lol. I’d simply dump an Sb for making extra demands.

 

[Cholla]

Those exchanges and tariffs can take any shape and form. Many years ago I knew a guy who would routinely beat up his gf and he would give her new shoes for a small beating and once he gave her a fur coat for a fairly brutal beating.
but I wouldn’t recommend forcing a threesome on someone who’s not into it. Or an anal lol. I’d simply dump an Sb for making extra demands.

Nice response, thank you!

First paragraph. Definitely no to beating, but yes for good ass spanking/whipping.
Second paragraph. Anal first, dumping afterwards.

 

[dchoye]

You know you found a keeper when you pay the SB for sex only and when we go out to a cafe she pays for the coffee and cheesecake for both of us.

 

[waxtrax]

$300 just for meet and greet and nothing else? Wow...I had a BBW SB msg me last year and she was asking $500 just for meet and greet PPM. I declined. I told her for $500 I'd get more than enough from a SP or even 2 SPs. Plus the meet and greets I've done in the past with SB only I paid for the meal and nothing more because we wanted to see how we'd connected in person. I wouldn't blow $300 or even $500 just for a dinner which of course is on top of what I'm paying and my gas to travel over an hour one way. Fuck that shit. It wouldn't shock me if this was her only way to make income or something. But I can't justify that even with money to blow. It's a simple meet and greet.

But is this the crazy trend SBs are expecting these days?! The hot ones prob can get away with it cuz like somebody said, there are some ppl who will pay or can afford it. Or they will use that line after the first meet(ppm) then we can progress to something more intimate which again does't feel right, cuz chances are you won't see them again. idk maybe the ones over 30 are more mature about it, but this really makes want to just stick with SPs.

 

[Leimonis]

But is this the crazy trend SBs are expecting these days?! The hot ones prob can get away with it cuz like somebody said, there are some ppl who will pay or can afford it. Or they will use that line after the first meet(ppm) then we can progress to something more intimate which again does't feel right, cuz chances are you won't see them again. idk maybe the ones over 30 are more mature about it, but this really makes want to just stick with SPs.

I blame fucking incel community for amplifying the issue of low body count.
A few years ago being a ho was empowering. And soliciting “virtual” relationships was prohibited on seeking (before COVID).
Those were the golden days of sugaring but it seems that it is over now.

 

[shack]

But is this the crazy trend SBs are expecting these days?!

What they expect for a M&G is irrelevant because we control the purse strings. We decide.

All she is doing is just letting you know early on that she is not what you are looking for in an arrangement. Her intent is to use you as an ATM.

 

[GeeBee]

Need a quick advice. Got a young SB asking for $300 ppm drinks/dinner (non-intimate) for first meet. She's pretty hot tho but should I pass? Or is this still common? I still haven't encounter anyone who will come out first meeting (non cash).

There are lots of girls out there who try this, and it must work for them, but don’t be the guy who perpetuates the idea.

Be upfront right away and tell her you’re not interested in paying $$ for a M&G, but you’d be happy to buy her a drink and have a quick chat. You never know, she may come back with a better suggestion. If she insists it’s a hard pass.

No matter how hot she is, remember that for around the same kind of money you can be banging a hot agency SP.

 

[shack]

They're sp's for lonely people that want more than just sex.

You're saying that as if it's a bad thing. And why is it just "lonely" guys. How about guys who just don't want a transactional, impersonal 30 minute "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" experience.

Hate to say it, but you sound like a "pro".

 

[davi 1991]

$300 just for meet and greet and nothing else? Wow...I had a BBW SB msg me last year and she was asking $500 just for meet and greet PPM. I declined. I told her for $500 I'd get more than enough from a SP or even 2 SPs. Plus the meet and greets I've done in the past with SB only I paid for the meal and nothing more because we wanted to see how we'd connected in person. I wouldn't blow $300 or even $500 just for a dinner which of course is on top of what I'm paying and my gas to travel over an hour one way. Fuck that shit. It wouldn't shock me if this was her only way to make income or something. But I can't justify that even with money to blow. It's a simple meet and greet.

U wanted connection with sb ??

 

[Sunday90]

I found SB situations exhausting. If you're looking for an SP or an MA those are very different. SB's are more like companions ans confidants. They're sp's for lonely people that want more than just sex.

People didn't necessarily pay me money, but they paid for trips, paid my bills and paid for cosmetic procedures. Like a rich boyfriend. They're looking for something different and people do treat it like it's a site to advertise sex but long term SD's want a girlfriend without the commitment. They call for a good time and to spoil a woman but it's not really pay for play. You take care of someone in exchange for time with them. They might spend the night whenever you call them because you buy them expensive gifts and take her out on the town. Take her to lavish places and buy her something.

That's their niche. They fill a gap in sex work for men that want a prostitute but don't want to feel like they're hiring a prostitute.

Nothing happened the first night with my SD's. No money, no sex. Maybe a gift. We were getting to know each other. If someone wants money upfront they're just an sp.

Its a lot of time and effort with someone and you still have to be perfect and never tell them any of your problems or your life. You maintain a perfect image while they tell you all their issues and secrets...and then you leave with a expensive night under your belt and some nice gifts. Like a date with a rich boyfriend.

Nope

 

[Leimonis]

I like to work less and make more money because i'm not an idiot.

Being a sugar baby was fun. It was a lot of fun actually, and I had a really good time but I was actually losing money by going out with these people and spending all evening with them. I had to focus more on the business side of things

sugar forums on Reddit have been consistently suggesting that a fair pay for a “meet” which is maybe 3hr or so is a quarter of monthly rent. In other words if an SB has four meets a month her rent is paid.
now in Toronto rent is $2000-2400 so a fair pay seems to be 500-600.
so if a SB has three daddies who see her weekly she makes more than 6 grand a month and pays zero tax. And she’s being fed three times a week for what that’s worth.
This is equivalent to a gross salary of what, $90-100k?
And also she knows all her daddies so her risks of any kind of bad date are minimized.
I don’t know if I would call it losing money. I don’t know how they move to any legitimate job after that really because that seems hard to beat.
Of course if you are comfortable fucking whoever comes through the door (nothing wrong with it and may the heavens blessings be with you and others who ply that trade) your math may well be different and I can see how you consider it a time waste.

come to think of it I consider time spent being out with women who I don’t get to fuck to be a complete waste. All attempts to charge me for meets and greets because it “spending time with a young, good looking woman” just gets me roll my eyes.

 

[shack]

No, absolutely.I am I prefer shorter appointments for more money absolutely.

Who wants to put in more work for less pay? That's

Yeah, absolutely.I'm a pro I prefer shorter appointments for more money.

Working harder for less pay is counterintuitive.
Sugar babies aren't selling sex but they are selling emotional labor and that's my least favorite thing to give away.

Everyone has a niche.And i'm not saying it's a bad thing. As far as kinks go I think this one is the cutest, because people who like sugar, babies are kind of the most genuine. They're not married and I can appreciate that. They just want to have a good time and share it with someone. I'm somewhere in between i don't like quick shallow transactions, but I don't like lawn drawn out shallow relationships. They can be very shallow. You never really let each other in too much. You never introduced that person to anyone important, so it is what it is but it's pretty close to a relationship with none of the bad parts and only good stuff. I used to say all the time that my sugar daddies treated me better than my boyfriend.

A lot of people who like sugar, babies talk a lot of c*** about professionals
But your sugar baby is also a professional. It's still a transaction. If you're not showing her a good time and buying her the things on her wish list, she wouldn't be talking to you.

Just because she gives you the illusion that you're not really paying for it doesn't mean that people you do have to pay for are less than.

Your sugar baby is still a prostitute.She just pretends to not be a prostitute. She works harder for less money.

I like to work less and make more money because i'm not an idiot.

Being a sugar baby was fun. It was a lot of fun actually, and I had a really good time but I was actually losing money by going out with these people and spending all evening with them. I had to focus more on the business side of things

I'm not really interested in what makes a better way for you to make money. That's your choice.

But when you declare that anyone who'd like sex with a more personal touch is "lonely", then you are talking like a pro and dissing people who don't want to be on the clock with a pro. That's a pretty broad brush that you're painting with.

 

[shack]

come to think of it I consider time spent being out with women who I don’t get to fuck to be a complete waste. All attempts to charge me for meets and greets because it “spending time with a young, good looking woman” just gets me roll my eyes.

I love when they talk about what their time is worth. Does she make casual acquaintances pay for her time as well?

 

[Leimonis]

I love when they talk about what their time is worth. Does she make casual acquaintances pay for her time as well?

Or when she comes to a job interview is she being paid for her time?

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

I deleted my comments just because I have better things to do than argue with people on the internet. Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Have fun!

 

[shack]

Sometimes I forget this is an incel community and it's not really an open discussion but its just a pity party and a constant attack on women. My mistake

Sometimes you forget that this is a forum for guys and here you are insulting the people whose income you depend on. It doesn't sound like a very smart thing to do. You didn't just insult me, you insulted all of us.

And it was an open discussion. The problem is that you immediately take offense when someone presents an alternative but valid opinion. Different people have different tastes and I simply stated that. But anyone with my tastes and everybody else who sees SBs are lonely AKA losers.

You should think a little bit more about what you post before you post it and remember that it is all guys reading your posts, not other women or SPs. Men do not think the same as women and you're not going to change that.

You're welcome and the advice is free......this time. Do you give introductory offers for newbies?

 

[farquhar]

I really can't understand the difference between an SB and an SP for the life of me no matter how much I read this thread.

There is a girl on LeoList I have seen four times now. I asked for an Outcall and I paid her $600 for 2 hours of time two weeks ago; I took her out to Dinner at a Sushi Place (she likes sushi, I paid for it), and then we went to a nearby Hotel to fuck our brains out.

SB just sounds like an Independent Escort with more steps. The fact that SBs want to be paid for a meet & greet in order to "interview" you before you get to fuck her is the equivalent of having to screen yourself with an SP with Photo ID or an E-mail Money Transfer (but worse) which a lot of guys on this board abhor.

Maybe I'm just fucking stupid. At the end of day, regardless if the woman is a civilian, an SB, or an SP, you do end up having to "pay" for sex in some way, shape, or form. At least with an SP it's more direct.