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shack

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I am tolerant of the use of the word cult.
Unfortunately, the use of cult to describe MAGA is 100% accurate,

It's generally overused to describe things groups and phenomena that people dislike.
And that's exactly what you intended to do when you called tried calling Washington establishment a cult and then retracted it because you knew that it was wrong.

MAGA is objectively a cult. They bow to and serve the master as if he is perfect. Nobody challenges, nor even questions him. They are spellbound.

And the people that can't see it are the ones in the cult because, as I've included in the list every time, they have lost the ability to see and accept reality.

You need to break the mirror, Tommy.

Question and please be honest: In your opinion is trump the greatest prez in the history of the US?
 

WyattEarp

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Unfortunately, the use of cult to describe MAGA is 100% accurate,

And that's exactly what you intended to do when you called tried calling Washington establishment a cult and then retracted it because you knew that it was wrong.
Thanks for the didactic analysis of the word "cult".

MAGA is objectively a cult. They bow to and serve the master as if he is perfect. Nobody challenges, nor even questions him. They are spellbound.

And the people that can't see it are the ones in the cult because, as I've included in the list every time, they have lost the ability to see and accept reality.
Ahhh, yes. You are one of the TERB keepers of the truth. You decide what's objective.

Of course, there's a small group of Trump supporters who give him unquestioning support. There's likely a cult-like group around Bernie Sanders that we don't see. Winning an election with 77 million voters is pretty much the antithesis of a cult leader.

Question and please be honest: In your opinion is trump the greatest prez in the history of the US?
Don't try to be clever. I get tired of these nonstop rhetorical questions that try to patronize members that don't agree with them.

Trump is not the greatest President history. No, I don't support a third term. Yes, he says stupid things. Yes, he's old maybe too old. Trudeau's ten years in power was a failure.
 
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]The Libs may go too far left for political correctness, but I believe that the Liberal ceiling for tolerance of Trudeau is much lower than that of Republicans for trump. Just the fact that a number of Lib members of parliament spoke up publicly and forced Trudeau to resign is evidence of that
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The rats know when the ship is sinking
A cult would not do that.
Sure they will a whole pile of Nazis made their way to South America
a rats survival instinct kicks in

I know Trudeau had low ratings but he'd never actually lost an election
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a national curse and shame

The GoP would never speak out about trump like that because they're either afraid of or a part of the cult.
He lost an election

your logic is not aligned with your hypothesis
unless you are willing to concede the abnormally and very unique high vote count in 2022 was indeed ballot box stuffing by the democrats to overcome the cults devotion vote


As we speak, their lips remain zipped as trump is turning the US upside down. He will try to retain power 4 years from now.
people generally vote in their own best interest
if Trump is successful he will retain support
if he is not, he wont
He did learn something from his first go round, and upgraded the his team
it would require something along the lines of a constitutional change to allow him to run for a 3rd term
4 years is a long time when your 78 years old , apparently he is a workaholic.
a whole lot is going to happen before a third term becomes a real question

At this point, I prefer to agree to disagree with your point of view. I highly doubt that we'll meet in the middle.
I shall remain eternally optimistic I can help you become incrementally more enlightened.
do not worry , i am not a fan of Trumps (nasty personality), however the left has become scary and require a tap back towards the center to ensure a viable and realistic alternative

Elon musk is opening up the kimono on them and their corruption is going to haunt the democrats
hopefully that is the required tap.

perhaps one day the republicans will require a tap back towards the center.
it is of the utmost importance for a successful democracy to have viable credible choices for the electorate to choose from
you say Trump supporters are a cult, i say the democrats lost the election because they drifted too far left and made a mess of it


Just as a p.s. type of question, do you think that the Liberal party of Canada will elect a leader that is more or less left wing than Trudeau
You should ask the WEF that question
Old Klaus Swab was so proud they had penetrated (his words not mine) the Canadian Liberal cabinet with so many WEF members

it looks like its Carney.
and he wants to offload the consumer carbon tax burden onto the corporate sector
while trump is going to cut the tax burden on the US corporate sector
jobs, companies and investment dollars will flow south.to the US

Carney has spoke of UBI , a great ideologically driven gift to the electorate, but a recipe for economic disaster

I truly believe, that Canada absolutely must elect Pierre P in order to not get run over economically by Trump
There is no guarantee Pierre P can prevent that from happening, but we will have fighting chance with him.
Another liberal govt will put Canadian unity at great risk as well. Alberta has had enough of the Trudeau family , they wont stand for Trudeau 3.0
 
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WyattEarp

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people generally vote in their own best interest
if Trump is successful he will retain support
if he is not, he wont.
That's it in a nutshell. It doesn't matter if you like him or not. If he delivers results, voters will support or accept his leadership. Americans are very pragmatic at the core. The stuff we see on social media and even news media is generally partisan hyperbole.

If winning elections and rallying broad support across various groups is a cult, apparently I don't understand what a cult is.
 

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Thanks for the didactic analysis of the word "cult".
Seeing that its' definition is important to our discussion, I thought it best that it's definition be clarified.

Ahhh, yes. You are one of the TERB keepers of the truth. You decide what's objective.[/QUOTE]I have clearly and consistently demonstrated that I take a lefty perspective on some issues and a rightie perspective on others. I am beholden to no party, ideology philosophy, religion or "ism" of any kind. Just as no individual is correct 100% of the time (trump? LOLOLOL) none of the institutions I listed are correct 100% of the time. It disturbs to see people consistently and unwaveringly adhere to a particular people. People from all walks of life need to fucking think for themselves and not be fucking mindless sheep. TERB, as a reflection of society overall has a bunch of fucking brainless sheep from all sides.

As such, I believe that I am more objective than most. So, to a great extent, you are correct.

Of course, there's a small group of Trump supporters who give him unquestioning support.[/QUOTE I'm not gonna touch that, other than to repeat my claim that people in a cult, including MAGA, are incapable of seeing reality. It's as if they are blind.

Yeah. Very small. LOL. Start with all the repug senators and congressmen.

Trump is not the greatest President history. No, I don't support a third term. Yes, he says stupid things. Yes, he's old maybe too old.
Glad to hear that. What do you mean about clever, rhetorical, patronizing? It was a fair and valid question and I accept your answer at face value. There were 2 distinct choices, so that disproves what you said about it being rhetorical.
 
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DesRicardo

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Again , how old are you ?
do you really think i give a rats ass about childish name calling?




who is going to take him out ?
You the internet tough guy?

He can be an asshole , but do not fool yourself, he is not going anywhere
Canada needs to be smart when dealing with him or we will get screwed big time
lol, You act like he wasn't an inch away from getting his head blown off a few months back. I don't have to do anything. He has enough enemies right now.

If he doesn't tone it down, no he will not make it 4 years. But I predict he will continue to fold. You can only speak bullshit for so long.
 

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And you have figured this out just now ?
that does not matter to him
Just proves how unhinged he is.

But lets see him tell us USMCA was the worst trade deal of all-time.

I know people like you will make excuses. Actually, he'll probably tell some lie and you guys will roll with it.
 

shack

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.The rats know when the ship is sinking

Sure they will a whole pile of Nazis made their way to South America
a rats survival instinct kicks in
Fleeing for one's life is not equivalent to raising your hand in legislature to prop up Hitler. But even during the war, when millions of Jews were led to gas chambers, they were still supporting Hitler. Even his level of evil was not enough for them to dissent. The GoP seem to be willing to do whatever it takes prop up trump. Liberals baled because they were down in the polls. That is not cultish behaviour. Sorry. If Trudeau initiated a Canadian version of Jan.6, he'd be left standing with his dick in his hands.

people generally vote in their own best interest
You are correct in that. Americans think that trump wants to help the common man and act in their best interests. They are wrong in that. trump is self-serving. End of story. (my personal opinion.)
if Trump is successful he will retain support
if he is not, he wont
He did learn something from his first go round, and upgraded the his team
Agree 100%
it would require something along the lines of a constitutional change to allow him to run for a 3rd term
And his upgraded team is rapidly helping him with that. He is busting down walls in the Department of Justice and weaponizing it. He is very capable of throwing dissenters in jail to silence them. He already has a 6-3 stacked Supreme Court. He has a majority of Governors in power and most of them are probably willing to change election laws to support him remaining in power.

And this is just 2 weeks in. He's got plenty of time to get everything lined up for that constitutional change. Please don't dismiss this possibility out of hand. One must at least retain some belief that this is a possibility. None of us can read trump's mind and shouldn't automatically put it past him. In fact, I believe that is his exact plan.

it looks like its Carney.
and he wants to offload the consumer carbon tax burden onto the corporate sector
while trump is going to cut the tax burden on the US corporate sector
jobs, companies and investment dollars will flow south.to the US
Carney has spoke of UBI , a great ideologically driven gift to the electorate, but a recipe for economic disaster

I truly believe, that Canada absolutely must elect Pierre P in order to not get run over economically by Trump
There is no guarantee Pierre P can prevent that from happening, but we will have fighting chance with him.
Another liberal govt will put Canadian unity at great risk as well. Alberta has had enough of the Trudeau family , they wont stand for Trudeau 3.0
TBH, you never actually answered my question directly. PP has nothing to do with me asking if the the next liberal leader will be more or less left wing than Trudeau. You stated a couple of his policies but did not state where you feel Carney stands on the political spectrum compared to Trudeau. Is he more or less left wing wing than JT. Just interested in your opinion on where the party is going.
 

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you do not decide who can join / leave a discussion
Oh, I want all you traitors in here.

You supported traitors like Danielle Smith. Bending over doesn't get the job done, standing up for yourself does.

You must be shamed for that.
 

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Another quote that flushes down Trumputin's golden toilet.
It was pretty much a general comment that takes in the perspective of the last hundred years.
 

JohnLarue

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lol, You act like he wasn't an inch away from getting his head blown off a few months back. I don't have to do anything. He has enough enemies right now.
how so mafioso of you

I am not a fan of his, but I certainly hope nobody assassinate him
all hell would brake loose


If he doesn't tone it down, no he will not make it 4 years.
The pace out of the gate has been rapid , so obviously he cant run like this for 4 years
he apparently is a workaholic , 16+ hrs / day
He is also 78 , so maybe age will catch up to him

But I predict he will continue to fold. You can only speak bullshit for so long.
do not count on it, he has been communicating (bullshitting if you prefer) like this his whole life
He is not done with Canada, he wants to claim he got a better deal on the USMCA
gots to feed that ego.


maybe some of his domestic agenda projects get off the rails or some geopolitical event happens that will divert his attention
but gots to feed that ego.
 

WyattEarp

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And his upgraded team is rapidly helping him with that. He is busting down walls in the Department of Justice and weaponizing it. He is very capable of throwing dissenters in jail to silence them. He already has a 6-3 stacked Supreme Court. He has a majority of Governors in power and most of them are probably willing to change election laws to support him remaining in power.

And this is just 2 weeks in. He's got plenty of time to get everything lined up for that constitutional change.
You and others can do a little reading on the high hurdles to change the U.S. Constitution.
Or, or, we can spend the next three years literally entertaining this fantasy.
 
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You and others can do a little reading on the high hurdles to change the U.S. Constitution.
Or, or, we can spend the next three years literally entertaining this fantasy.
Since when has Trumputin given a rat's ass about the U.S. Constitution?
 
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squeezer

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Naturally she is going to lie to you to protect your image of her. If you only knew squeegee, if you only knew..... But don't take my word for it. Mitch was there too....
That is impossible, Mitchy is in MaroLago cleaning his King's balls and feeding him Quarter Pounders so please stop lying.
 
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