Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?

[jjbee62]

she is right- teachers are unprofessional. they do as little as possible. they care not for the kids or parents.

and blacks are all criminals and SPs are all thieving whores, and, and, and...

Classifying everyone in any group, based upon your perception of the worst in that group is wrong. That's the nicest way I can put it.

Certainly there are teachers who are not professional, who do as little as possible and who do not care. Why should they? Are they pulling down $150k to do nothing more than shuffle papers and not much else? Does anyone look up to them and treat them with respect? Pay someone shit, treat them like shit, guess what you'll get out of them?

 

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It's things like this that make me scratch my head. Taking this thread (and many others) into consideration, it does not appear that anyone cares about the teachers (who are also parents). I've dealt with parents who come in to inquire about Little Timmy and believe me, many are not reasonable.

80% of teachers are mean spirited, rude, unprofessional and could give a rats ass about anyone. care about the teachers? they have done their best to make sure people hate them just like the garbage workers. well -they succeeded

 

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and blacks are all criminals and SPs are all thieving whores, and, and, and...

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hey if you are a racist -keep your thoughts to yourself and stay out of the classroom

 

[Toke]

Yes but,

Not here in Canada. Sorry but that is not true at all. They get paid more then they should in my opinion.

Great. So how much should a university educated specialist be paid to do the job. Starting wage? 10 years after undergoing numerous job-specific upgrades?

Sorry but I have forked out too much money over the years to the class for fees, books, supplies, etc. It is standard when my daughter picks her class to see what the class with cost. And losing control over students, sorry but that doesn't fly with me either. Most kids are not problem students.

You make it sound as if the teachers are selling these items at a personal profit.
To say that most are not a problem is inaccurate. I've been in schools where your statement is true. As well as others where it is not. It has to do with other factors (e.g. parenting).

Yes, Because they are the adult and the ones responsible in the class. THAT IS APART OF THEIR JOB. RESPONSIBILITY.

When my child does wrong, I hold her accountable. I will do the same with teachers, and anyone else for that matter. That is how I live. I do not want people who do not care about what they are doing, doing it with me or my child. If my mechanic does not care about the job he is doing, I will not trust my safety in that car with him working on it. It is really that simple. Same as applies with teachers. Sadly I do not have the power to fire them though.

Sure they are responsible in the class. However, the article in the OP has to do with a situation that began outside of the class. Sure most will blame the teachers because they are on the front lines, but the Province has pissed them off. The result is them working as per the conditions of their contract by using their sick days.


I disagree. I am sorry but they need to step up or step off and give someone else the job!
Great. So where shall we get these new teachers from?

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

and blacks are all criminals and SPs are all thieving whores, and, and, and...

Classifying everyone in any group, based upon your perception of the worst in that group is wrong. That's the nicest way I can put it.

Sorry but my experience is not that all blacks are criminals are and all SP's thieving whores, but my experience with 2 kids from JK to highschool, 80% don't give a damn and never would regardless of what they got paid or how they got treated.

Certainly there are teachers who are not professional, who do as little as possible and who do not care. Why should they? Are they pulling down $150k to do nothing more than shuffle papers and not much else? Does anyone look up to them and treat them with respect? Pay someone shit, treat them like shit, guess what you'll get out of them?

They got treated really well and they took advantage. You can only screw people over so long before they start treating you like the piece of shit you act like. Sorry.

Great. So where shall we get these new teachers from?

When you can properly answer maybe one or two of my questions with some seriousness, i will entertain the idea of returning the favor.

 

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Great. So where shall we get these new teachers from?

there are plenty of young trained teachers without jobs. start with them, but also hire professionals from other countries who need work.

 

[jjbee62]

hey if you are a racist -keep your thoughts to yourself and stay out of the classroom

I can understand how you have so many posts to your credit, they require no thought, just a quick insult, or a misrepresentation. When you quote something, do me the favor of quoting everything relevant rather than trying to misrepresent by selective editing.

and blacks are all criminals and SPs are all thieving whores, and, and, and...

Classifying everyone in any group, based upon your perception of the worst in that group is wrong. That's the nicest way I can put it.

 

[Toke]

80% of teachers are mean spirited, rude, unprofessional and could give a rats ass about anyone. care about the teachers? they have done their best to make sure people hate them just like the garbage workers. well -they succeeded

Where was this study done and reported?

 

[groggy]

so they are fraudulently calling in sick

Nope.
The ones who didn't use their sick days and worked steadily were supposed to be able to bank them towards time off later.
Contractually, they have those days owed them, they have a choice of taking the days off with pay or working with pay, the board pays either way.
If they don't take them off then the board is effectively punishing those who were healthy.
They don't need doctors notes to use the sick days.
And anyone who works around kids full time will need sick days, they are walking germ factories.

So they'll take the days off, the subs will get a pile of work, and then the unions will continue on with fewer contracted sick days.

 

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I can understand how you have so many posts to your credit, they require no thought, just a quick insult, or a misrepresentation. When you quote something, do me the favor of quoting everything relevant rather than trying to misrepresent by selective editing.

i won't play by your rules you racist bastard. who do you think you are? the leaser of the klu klux klan? well take your southern racist baggage and get out of town

 

[Toke]

there are plenty of young trained teachers without jobs. start with them, but also hire professionals from other countries who need work.

I am one of them, and I would not do it for the pittance many here have suggested.

 

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Nope.
The ones who didn't use their sick days and worked steadily were supposed to be able to bank them towards time off later.
Contractually, they have those days owed them, they have a choice of taking the days off with pay or working with pay, the board pays either way.
If they don't take them off then the board is effectively punishing those who were healthy.
They don't need doctors notes to use the sick days.
And anyone who works around kids full time will need sick days, they are walking germ factories.

So they'll take the days off, the subs will get a pile of work, and then the unions will continue on with fewer contracted sick days.

if they call in sick, but aren't sick- that isn't fraud? where did you learn that? from teachers?

 

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I am one of them, and I would not do it for the pittance many here have suggested.

well then you won't be hired.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

well then you won't be hired.

Thankfully...... {in my opinion}

 

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Thankfully...... {in my opinion}

LMAO. good one

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

LMAO. good one

I wasn't joking or trying to be insulting actually. I truly feel based on his posts here, his clear attitude on the subject and his lack of reading comprehension and writing, he would not make a good teacher.

 

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I wasn't joking or trying to be insulting actually. I truly feel based on his posts here, his clear attitude on the subject and his lack of reading comprehension and writing, he would not make a good teacher.

that and a screen name "Toke"- yes lets have the drug user and his racist friend teach our kids

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

that and a screen name "Toke"-

I was going to reserve judgment on that one. I had enough to base my opinion on anyway. :wink:

 

[Toke]

When you can properly answer maybe one or two of my questions with some seriousness, i will entertain the idea of returning the favor.

I've checked and have responded to much of what you have said. You just didn't like the answer.

You say parents need to be involved, so you agree that teachers need quality control since they can not seem to remain professional. Ok

And clearly, yes - the only thing the teachers care about is their compensation. You have that one down!

And no my arguments are not blind. I have put forth examples of negative behaviour from teachers and you have yet to be able to counter any of it.

There you have it folks. Justin Bieber is what history class is all about.

Thanks Teach!

Of course parents need to be involved and quality control. I didn't say they shouldn't. You were complaining about having to do it. I did not say that Justin Beiber should be taught. What I questioned was how a student does a major assignment on him without the parent having any clue.

Toke on the other hand is just 100% for the teachers no matter what. Without addressing anything of possible potential value. [/COLOR]

When you complain about paying for supplies and curriculum, then your beef is with the ministry (i.e. employer) not the teacher (i.e. employee). Your complaining about/to the wrong persons.

 

[4everkasey]

My point exactly....




Sorry, but that does not mean the "caring and honest" teacher HAD to take the sick days. They are available so that when you are sick, you can still get paid and not lose the income. Not for teachers to take advantage and enjoy extra long weekends, etc when they are perfectly healthy. Sorry but my child's PROPER education is more important to me then fraudsters. Just my opinion.

Thanks

Agreed. When you are lucky enough to have a job where you get summers, Christmas, march break, profession development days off with the added benefit of paid sick days if required AND make the income they make I fail to understand how it is responsible to take advantage of an already great situation