Ah, Ickabod, you refer to the "pathetic conservative mantra", but the vast majority of you misrepresent the so-called "conservative" view. And in reaction to a so-called vacuous argument you've offered us a vacuous argument -- how typical. Please define for us what you mean by conservative. The reason I ask is, I'm a true liberal (classical liberal) and wish "liberals" would stop calling themselves liberal and identify themselves honestly as socialists.