A massive wealth transfer? In a world where the US is spending a trillion dollars on that goofy war in Iraq. C'mon Lancs, get real.LancsLad said:
jwm
The $60 Billion Vaccine Hoax
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Sergei has a point. A 2 prong appraoch is needed to help Africa. Vaccination to mitigate epidemics is a short term approach. The long term approach has to be to try prevent the conditions that allow a disease to thrive.
Hygeine is a strong factor, along with the herd immunity of a vaccinated populace.
Most people having grown up in a vaccinated society are not congnizent of the ravages of epidemics in the past.
Just wait and see if HPAI manages to transmit effectively and see how fast Sergei runs to the nearest clinic. Just imagine seasonal flu with a 75% kill rate, would you be anti-vaccine then?
Hygeine is a strong factor, along with the herd immunity of a vaccinated populace.
Most people having grown up in a vaccinated society are not congnizent of the ravages of epidemics in the past.
Just wait and see if HPAI manages to transmit effectively and see how fast Sergei runs to the nearest clinic. Just imagine seasonal flu with a 75% kill rate, would you be anti-vaccine then?
jwmorrice said:
I am very serious. It pisses me off no end that the do gooders are always coming up with clever ways to " help the third world" generally at a huge cost to us. Screw that action. I don't want my money wasted this year knowing that it will cost even more the next year as more live and then we have to feed them.
Spend all of your own personal wealth on such stupid wasteful projects but let me spend mine as I see fit.
Go play Robinson Crusoe and I'm sure you'll never again be bothered by such "stupid wasteful projects". Until then, if you want your views to prevail, you're going to have to come up with better arguments for letting others die in misery.LancsLad said:
jwm
Excellent point. We should have solidified the whole slavery issue in the beginning. Once started, no going back. If I can remind you, Britain balked on that first and generally fucked it up for the rest of us. And now nations in Africa and elsewhere expect some help. Send us more of your resources and maybe we can talk deal. Meanwhile, because you are clearly savage people, we have agreed to send Lancslad to you to do with as you wish. Please accept this sacrifice as a token recognition of your pagan God.LancsLad said:
Asterix said:
My point is correct, not very pleasant to those who bleed buckets for the third world but true never the less.
Make light of it all you want but the fact is it will never get better unless they do something themselves. Being spoonfed by the guilt ridden " white massa's" will never improve their lot and just further perpetuates the beggar mentality.
jwmorrice said:
"Die in misery", what do you do as a day job, write pleading pledge requests for charities. Sounds very dramatic.
I DO NOT need to come up with any arguement for doing nothing. Those who wish to steal money from the Western Taxpayers need to show a plausible ROI for why the money should be allocated. And please understand that the whole guilt thing doesn't work with me.
Asterix said:
I am aware of the sublte " guilty by virtue of being white" suggestion that you slyly try to make but I really don't care. Every farkin group wants to make you feel guilty as the first stage in getting something from you. Won't work with me. They are NOT my concern.
Jesus Lancs, you're about the biggest drama queen on this board! You're always seeking to provoke.LancsLad said:
But you're right, you aren't obligated to come up with any arguments for doing nothing. However, don't be surprised then, and don't whine and bitch, if society ignores your view on this matter, as it does on most others.
And please understand that I don't feel guilty about governments 'stealing money' from such as you. I find your squawking about it to be quite entertaining.
jwm
jwmorrice said:Jesus Lancs, you're about the biggest drama queen on this board! You're always seeking to provoke.
But you're right, you aren't obligated to come up with any arguments for doing nothing. However, don't be surprised then, and don't whine and bitch, if society ignores your view on this matter, as it does on most others.
And please understand that I don't feel guilty about governments 'stealing money' from such as you. I find your squawking about it to be quite entertaining.
jwm
Fair enough. Thing is more people are starting to see things my way and there are more ways than ever to limit the amount of personal wealth that the Feds have jurisdiction over. People will vote with their wallets.
It's not drugs and it's not food. It's vaccination for disease. The best thing you can do in a globalized world is make sure you don't get plagues from the savages. If you have a problem with global agendas, you can maybe go to Mars because that fight is pretty well lost. Or maybe you can get your thumb out of your ass and do something. If I bought you a gun, would you use it to change the world? I doubt it.LancsLad said:
On the subject of vaccinations, they are probably the number 2 tool in the public health war on disease. Fresh water and contained sanitation is probably the single most effective tool.
I would want all my neighbours and friends and relatives to have the kids vaccinated. When I go overseas, I made damn sure I am up to date.
But do I want to vaccinate the 3rd world? From an economic POV, it makes absolutely no sense. And I am not sure that it makes sense from a humanitarian POV. Increases in population have only increased suffering, and made food more scarce. Sooner or later, the planet will simply not be capable of feeding everyone, and that day is much much closer than you think. When oil is no longer available for the agricultural industry, watch the shit hit the fan.
Now, not every vaccination is 100% safe or effective. And the use of mercury to act as a preservative is somewhat strange. But from a statistical POV vaccinations are a miracle.
Sergei, you are clearly an opinionated person. Too bad you are not educated.
I would want all my neighbours and friends and relatives to have the kids vaccinated. When I go overseas, I made damn sure I am up to date.
But do I want to vaccinate the 3rd world? From an economic POV, it makes absolutely no sense. And I am not sure that it makes sense from a humanitarian POV. Increases in population have only increased suffering, and made food more scarce. Sooner or later, the planet will simply not be capable of feeding everyone, and that day is much much closer than you think. When oil is no longer available for the agricultural industry, watch the shit hit the fan.
Now, not every vaccination is 100% safe or effective. And the use of mercury to act as a preservative is somewhat strange. But from a statistical POV vaccinations are a miracle.
Sergei, you are clearly an opinionated person. Too bad you are not educated.
I believe mercury is added as an anti-fungal agent. There must be better compounds out there, don't know why they haven't switched.
I'm not familiar with the specifics, but most vaccines are mercury free. And just for the record, it's ethylmercury, which is not related to autism or felt hat insanity.DistantVoyeur said:
Did you actually read anything I said? There are quite a few EPIDEMIOLOGISTS who say that most diseases were eradicated BEFORE mass vaccinations. Both in the USA and in Europe. I have one such study in my possession. The woman is a specialist in her field. My entire point was that there are PROFESSORS out there who say that your point above is false. If you believe that vaccines eradicated the diseases then you must base it on something concrete. According to the reading I've done there are plenty of researchers who state that the vast majority of the decrease in the prevalence of certain diseases happened before mass vaccination. If you want to have a civilized discussion then you should actually try to see if what they say is TRUE or not. Then you can have opinions. I personally tend to believe the detractors.Sheik said:
I personally know my uncle - he has a permanent limp from getting polio. That doesn't have anything to do with the science of the matter though.
Anybody interested in this subject should check out these pages:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/VaccineResearcher.html
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=368600
http://curezone.com/topic/vaccination/
http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases/pr62706gardasil.htm
Vaccines=big business. I wonder why they're selling Gardasil at 3 or 4 hundred dollars a pop.
I'm actually the opposite of Dzhugashvilli - I believe in personal freedom. For example, the right to know how vaccines are made and the right not to get them. They are cultured in chicken embryos, pig kidneys, monkey kidneys, even foreskins have been used.Aardvark154 said:like the late J. Dzhugashvili (Джугашви́ли) you probably don’t believe in evil.
Read this as an intro:
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/VaccineResearcher.html
How many of the 30 million were actually vaccinated? Just so we can calculate the REAL odds.Aardvark154 said:
The New Zealand health ministry states that the hepatitis vaccine caused a 60% increase in type 1 diabetes in New Zealand children. How do you like those odds?
Actually, the wealth transfer is NOT to the third world - it's from the taxpayers to the rich pharmaceutical companies. Only the vaccines end up in the third world. The money stays here.LancsLad said:
