Presuming you are referring to NAZI Germany: 1) Although popularly called such, NAZI ideology was separate from Fascist ideology (however, that is a matter of precision of language); 2) Six million Jews more or less then of course there were the other four million (Gypsies [Romani]; Slavs principally Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians and Russians, and then smaller numbers of all sorts of others Aristocrats; homosexuals; the mentally retarded etc. . .)Mcluhan said:
The 9/11 NIST Report
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You haven't shown that. One side has peer structural engineers and other experts working in their area of expertise with opinions published in respectable peer reviewed journals and/or with the endorsement of their professional associations. The other side has random people posting unqualified opinions way outside their area of expertise in fake journals and who are viewed as kooks by their professional associations.Protoss said:
So far as I can tell you haven't produced one single, solitary bona fide expert for the conspiracy side of this debate.
If you guys want anyone to take you seriously you are going to have to come up with something better than random people pretending to be experts.
You guys remind me a lot of people who claim that evolution is fake. Your "science" is about as sound, and published in "journals" that are about as respectable as the creationist's.
Probably so, but there are several huge holes in that theory the largest of which being the peaceful transfer of power to the new administration. And there wasn't even any crazygluing of locks, stealing of computer keyboards or removing of keys from the same.papasmerf said:
You do have to love overdrawn analogies.
What is that you don't understand about this video?Aardvark154 said:
Scientist Niels H. Harrit presents evidence of nano-thermite found in WTC dust on Danish television
They have the LOADED GUN - unexploded Thermate in the dust. That's why NIST did not publish on the explosives in the dust, because they did not look for them. Why was that again? oh ya, right, because the buildings FELL down... lol.
Again you wrote:Mcluhan said:
You apparently actually mean NAZI not Fascist - if you are going to draw such analogies, pray tell us whom it is you are suggesting is Herr Hitler?Mcluhan said:
Actually it was just for the serf. Alice don't let an off-the-cuff remark distract you from the real topic, the unexploded Thermate.Aardvark154 said:
Still waiting for someone to address that. The silence is deafening.
Again, here it is, in case you missed it
Scientist Niels H. Harrit presents evidence of nano-thermite found in WTC dust on Danish television
What don't you understand about his admitting his agenda and seeking findings to support it. He never discussed how and where the samples were obtained. He never discussed the type of control sample used. He did not discuss the results of the requisite blind studies to verify the findings. Nor did he provide a solid estimate of the amount of thermite found in the samples and what it represents in total. Nor did he discuss the samples that showed no signs of it. Basicly his presentation was basicly an infomercial.Mcluhan said:
He did not name the team that did the research or their qualifications
He pretty much so did not defend the findings. You would expect that in any scientific findings that are counter to the findings of well reviewed peers.
All in all that video shows him as the perfect expert witness in a kangaroo court.
His conclusion that he found the loaded gun is based on his placement of it.
Sorry Mac.
I don't understand why anyone would take it seriously. It is a report about a "scientific" article that appearaed in a fake journal--one run by some random guy in Pakistan, the publishers of which are all fictional. Do your homework. This is just a news report about the article Danmand previously linked to here and I did do my homework and found that it was published in a fraud journal.Mcluhan said:
I challenge you to contact even one live individual who works for the "journal" it was published in, and who does not live in Pakistan or the United Arab Emirates. The publisher is Bentham Science--I dare you to try and contact them. When you try say hello to Mahmoud for me. Yes I tried to contact them--you get a guy in Pakistan who is probably a member of Al Qaeda.
This is just not science. Not even close to science. I watched the video and he does not talk like a scientist, he does not talk about the limitations in his study or the limits of his findings, of which in any real science there certainly would be--real scientists are careful to qualify what they say. He had no such qualificaitons, which is the first red flag.
The second red flag is that the "journal" it was published in was a COMPLETE fake.
You've been had!
Mcluhan, let me put it in four simple words for you:
RESPECTABLE PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL.
Note: Note youtube videos about journal articles that we have ALREADY debunked on this thread. Respectable peer reviewed journal article--that is what you need to go find.
Got it? Good. Now shush until you find something in one.
RESPECTABLE PEER REVIEWED JOURNAL.
Note: Note youtube videos about journal articles that we have ALREADY debunked on this thread. Respectable peer reviewed journal article--that is what you need to go find.
Got it? Good. Now shush until you find something in one.
The actual document published, for anyone wanting to actually read it.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
Of course all these concerns are addressed in the formal report that gets released to the scientific community. But that's pretty boring stuff of little interest to the average TV viewer. You've got to keep in mind to whom you are talking. It isn't after all a distiguished panel of TERBites he's addressing. <LOL> . Think about the little over ten minutes he had to explain what he had found. If the interview had occurred on CNN they probably would have rushed through it in about 5 minutes with the interviewer doing most of the talking. I think he did quite well to summarize years of careful analysis between a couple of commercial spots. Think of it as a teaser for all the juicy details to come out later. I can hardly waitpapasmerf said:
This guys a well respected researcher and Associate Professor at the Univesity of Copenhagen for 37 years. This is indeed the loaded gun. Very cool.
Yup. That's the one published in that fake Arab journal by that fake publisher, Bentham Science, which is nominally based in the United Arab Emirates but actually run by a guy named Mahmoud in Pakistan.Mcluhan said:
It couldn't possibly be that an Arab publisher might be a little bit biased about an attack against the United States carried out by Arabs, now would it??????
Here is some reading for those interested in the "quality" of this fake Arab publishing company, the one that published this "scientific" article about thermite and the WTC that Mac loves to go on about:
http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/ListArchives/0804/msg00027.html
that is the experience that some Yale researchers had with the "journal", this pretty much sums it up:
http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/ListArchives/0804/msg00027.html
that is the experience that some Yale researchers had with the "journal", this pretty much sums it up:
This is just so typical of the crap you post Mac, maybe people who don't do their homework will be fooled by you but anyone who digs even a little into your links will find they are all a little funny.
The nine co-authors are Niels H. Harrit, Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark, Jeffrey Farrer, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Steven E. Jones, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN, Frank M. Legge, Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia, Daniel Farnsworth, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Gregg Roberts, Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA, James R. Gourley, International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX, and Bradley R. Larsen, S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT.
Abstract:
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
Abstract:
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.
