The 9/11 NIST Report

[danmand]

EXACTLY.

Another point about the number of conspirators that would have to be involved (from tens of thousands to even a million people) that was stated earlier CANNOT be ignored. There is NO WAY a million people can shut up about this... even upon pain of death (see example of omerta and mafia). oh hell.. look at Jerry Springer and Maury Povitch... hell these people cant even shut about about their affairs.. they have to tell their SO about it. People cannot hold secrets. And the bigger the secret and the more the people would make this conspiracy all but impossible.

That is a good and valid point.

But it is not a reason to not look at scientific data. What some people
here do not realize, is that the presence of nano-thermite in the 9/11
dust, is just that, presence of nano-thermite in the dust. It does not
automatically follow, that the towers were brought down by controlled
demolition.

There may be other explanations for it, if it indeed is there.

 

[Mcluhan]

EXACTLY.

Another point about the number of conspirators that would have to be involved (from tens of thousands to even a million people) that was stated earlier CANNOT be ignored. There is NO WAY a million people can shut up about this... even upon pain of death (see example of omerta and mafia). oh hell.. look at Jerry Springer and Maury Povitch... hell these people cant even shut about about their affairs.. they have to tell their SO about it. People cannot hold secrets. And the bigger the secret and the more the people would make this conspiracy all but impossible.

You are misquoting me, so let me straighten that out.

I said 'in the know'. I cited the global 'Intelligence community'


The case herein discussed ASSUMES demolition. That being the case, every spook and his uppers knew instantly what was going on. That's the way the world works my friend. So, you merely estimate that number globally, and that quantifies it. At for the general public, those of us with a TV and and internet connection for intelligence data gathering, we are going a lot slower.

 

[Mcluhan]

To correct the misconception on Bentham

Bentham was started in 2000.

Its an STM Journal (Science Technology Medical) specializing in Chemistry and Medicine.

Its managed/owned by a few associated people among them Dr. Mark Dekker of Nl, and the principle nn American Pakistani named Dr. Mansoor Alam, who has a medical background and computer engineering. He started the STM journal in 2,000.

Bentham Science Publishers

A major STM journal publisher of 103 online and print journals, and 4 print/online book (series), Bentham Science answers the informational needs of the pharmaceutical, biomedical and medical research community.

Here's a list from a partner site of their publications dating back to wherever this page was last updated.

103 publications for Bentham Science Publishers

(partial list below)

* Advances in Organic Synthesis
* Volume 1, Number 1, March 2005 - Volume 1, Number 1, March 2005
* Advances in Organic Synthesis
* Volume 2, Number 1, 1 January 2006 - Volume 2, Number 1, 1 January 2006
* Anti-Cancer Agents in Medicinal Chemistry (Formerly Current Medicinal Chemistry
* Volume 6, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 9, Number 3, March 2009
* Anti-Infective Agents in Medicinal Chemistry (Formerly Current Medicinal Chemistry - Anti-Infective Agents)
* Volume 5, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 8, Number 2, April 2009
* Anti-Inflammatory & Anti-Allergy Agents in Medicinal Chemistry (Formerly Cu rrent Medicinal Chemistry - Anti-Inflammatory and Anti-Allergy Agents)
* Volume 5, Number 1, February 2006 - Volume 8, Number 1, March 2009
* Cardiovascular & Haematological Disorders - Drug Targets(Formerly Current Drug Targets - Cardiovascular & Hematological Disorders)
* Volume 6, Number 1, March 2006 - Volume 9, Number 1, March 2009
* Cardiovascular & Hematological Agents in Medicinal Chemistry (Formerly Current Medicinal Chemistry - Cardiovascular & Hematological Agents)
* Volume 4, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 7, Number 2, April 2009
* Central Nervous System Agents in Medicinal Chemistry(Formerly Current Medicinal
* Volume 6, Number 1, March 2006 - Volume 9, Number 1, March 2009
* CNS & Neurological Disorders - Drug Targets (Formerly Current Drug Targets - CNS & Neurological Disorders)
* Volume 5, Number 1, February 2006 - Volume 8, Number 2, April 2009
* Combinatorial Chemistry & High Throughput Screening
* Volume 3, Number 1, February 2000 - Volume 12, Number 3, March 2009
* Current Alzheimer Research
* Volume 1, Number 1, February 2004 - Volume 6, Number 2, April 2009
* Current Analytical Chemistry
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 2, April 2009
* Current Bioactive Compounds
* Volume 1, Number 1, April 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, March 2009
* Current Bioinformatics
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 4, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Cancer Drug Targets
* Volume 1, Number 1, May 2001 - Volume 9, Number 2, March 2009
* Current Cancer Therapy Reviews
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, February 2009
* Current Cardiology Reviews
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Chemical Biology
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2007 - Volume 3, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Clinical Pharmacology
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 4, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Computer - Aided Drug Design
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, March 2009
* Current Diabetes Reviews
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, February 2009
* Current Drug Delivery
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2004 - Volume 6, Number 2, April 2009
* Current Drug Discovery Technologies
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2004 - Volume 6, Number 1, March 2009
* Current Drug Metabolism
* Volume 1, Number 1, July 2000 - Volume 10, Number 3, March 2009
* Current Drug Safety
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 4, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Drug Targets
* Volume 1, Number 1, July 2000 - Volume 10, Number 4, April 2009
* Current Drug Targets - Cardiovascular & Hematological Disorders
* Volume 1, Number 1, June 2001 - Volume 5, Number 6, December 2005
* Current Drug Targets - Immune, Endocrine & Metabolic Disorders
* Volume 1, Number 1, May 2001 - Volume 5, Number 4, December 2005
* Current Drug Targets - Infectious Disorders
* Volume 1, Number 1, 1 May 2001 - Volume 5, Number 4, December 2005
* Current Drug Targets - Inflammation & Allergy
* Volume 1, Number 1, March 2002 - Volume 4, Number 6, December 2005
* Current Drug Targets-CNS & Neurological Disorders
* Volume 1, Number 1, February 2002 - Volume 5, Number 1, February 2006
* Current Drug Therapy
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2006 - Volume 4, Number 1, January 2009
* Current Enzyme Inhibition
* Volume 1, Number 1, January 2005 - Volume 5, Number 1, February 2009

 

[Omnius]

You are misquoting me, so let me straighten that out.

I said 'in the know'. I cited the global 'Intelligence community'

sorry... i missed the straightening out. all i said... was with up to a million people in the know... whether in the intelligent community or not... its much too many people to stay quiet, for so long, on such a hot secret. whether those million are spread throughout the globe, or focused in one city... is besides the point.

 

[Mcluhan]

sorry... i missed the straightening out. all i said... was with up to a million people in the know... whether in the intelligent community or not... its much too many people to stay quiet, for so long, on such a hot secret. whether those million are spread throughout the globe, or focused in one city... is besides the point.

I fully agree in many ways. But then i've never worked in the intelligence community. But i know a few ppl who have. These people do not talk. 1 or 2 or 3.. it is the same as a million...

 

[Omnius]

The case herein discussed ASSUMES demolition. That being the case, every spook and his uppers knew instantly what was going on. That's the way the world works my friend. So, you merely estimate that number globally, and that quantifies it. At for the general public, those of us with a TV and and internet connection for intelligence data gathering, we are going a lot slower.

And isnt this the problem? Any scientist will tell you... you cannot assume your conclusions before you search for evidence. Thats the whole point of blind trials and hypoptheses and all the different firewalls put in place to prevent such shenanigans. You look at the evidence, at the facts, then you come up with a probable explanation. Then others try to refute your explanation using the same data, or new data. By ASSUMING demolition, you have tained your point of view even before you started the journey of discovery (and.. no.. I dont mean YOU you,... i meant it in general. Please no need to get defensive.

We dont agree. thats all. As for Danmand... it was a pleasure discussing with you. I appreciate your points, see their merit, and would like to reciprocate the civility you have shown.

 

[Mcluhan]

And isnt this the problem? Any scientist will tell you... you cannot assume your conclusions before you search for evidence. Thats the whole point of blind trials and hypoptheses and all the different firewalls put in place to prevent such shenanigans. You look at the evidence, at the facts, then you come up with a probable explanation. Then others try to refute your explanation using the same data, or new data. By ASSUMING demolition, you have tained your point of view even before you started the journey of discovery (and.. no.. I dont mean YOU you,... i meant it in general. Please no need to get defensive.

We dont agree. thats all. As for Danmand... it was a pleasure discussing with you. I appreciate your points, see their merit, and would like to reciprocate the civility you have shown.

I'm not being defensive, so please don't pat yourself on the back at my expense. I am merely trying to explain a point, and not only did you fail to get the point, but you turned it upside down and then tried using it to weaken my position. So, enough of that discourse, carry on.

 

[Omnius]

. These people do not talk. 1 or 2 or 3.. it is the same as a million...

no no no.... TOTALLY disagree. The CIA is always full of leaks... the Russians and the Chinese are notorious for finding such leaks. The british had the saying "loose lips sink ships" for a reason. MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE you might be able to get a HANDFUL of people to keep a secret... but even 100. thats right... 100... is WAY TO MANY for this kind of conspiracy. WAY too many.

But.. lets take your point... that a million kept secret... the logistics would be ridiculously massive. how did they know.... via email and memos... certainly not word of mouth. so.. no scrap of paper... nothing.. at.. all... surfaces?? certainly some janitor found something? some computer geek? a wife.. a husband.. a son or daughter????

Sorry... much to big a pill to swallow.

 

[Mcluhan]

no no no.... TOTALLY disagree. The CIA is always full of leaks... the Russians and the Chinese are notorious for finding such leaks. The british had the saying "loose lips sink ships" for a reason. MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE you might be able to get a HANDFUL of people to keep a secret... but even 100. thats right... 100... is WAY TO MANY for this kind of conspiracy. WAY too many.

But.. lets take your point... that a million kept secret... the logistics would be ridiculously massive. how did they know.... via email and memos... certainly not word of mouth. so.. no scrap of paper... nothing.. at.. all... surfaces?? certainly some janitor found something? some computer geek? a wife.. a husband.. a son or daughter????

Sorry... much to big a pill to swallow.

Who are they going to tell? Who? The media right? hahahahaha...

There is whistle blowing going on at lower levels. I've listened to some of it, but its never in the main stream media of course.

This point about, 'why is no one talking' is a diversion to this thread. It needs its own thread, and i'm not focused on that. There is a dead body and the bullet casings are there on the ground beside the body. The crime occurred. I am at the stage of being in the room, looking at the evidence. I want to know WHAT HAPPENED. The fact that no one is talking is not surprising at all. AND, it doesn't change the fact that there is a body in the room, dead, lying beside the spent casings.

 

[anomandar]

Sorry... much to big a pill to swallow.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1956542165192088795&hl=en

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1214121/9_11_conspiracy_fbi_whistleblowers_are_obstructed_silenced/

 

[Mcluhan]

Ok, i don't know about the rest of you guys, but i feel we should close this debate off. Its potentially unhealthy.

Let's just back away softly.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Because they simply just did their jobs.

That's the way the game is played and they did their job.
They just did as they were told, and never had a 'need to know' why.

 

[viking1965]

That's the way the game is played and they did their job.
They just did as they were told, and never had a 'need to know' why.

That may be true, but then why aren't the hypothetical 40 to 50 guys who were allegedly "just doing their job", to replace nearly 2 million ceiling tiles in a month, (not "routine" by any measure) now raising their hands????????

 

[Asterix]

Thosands of people were not needed to pull 9/11 off..

Only a handfull in the know were needed and they gave orders to many more underlings that were simply doing their daily routine that day.

Meaning there are many out there that were out of the loop (Don't even know they were involved but they were) and hence have nothing to talk about..

Because they simply just did their jobs.

How stupid do you think people are? If they were simply doing their jobs it would have been something they had previously done many times over. You want us to believe that when told to do something unusual, in this case beyond unusual, they would have just nodded their heads and said "whatever"? Obviously you think people in the various trades are complete idiots.

 

[Protoss]

Heh Guys . . . I think what Sam is saying is that they might have had absolutley no idea that the tiles were anything special. As far as they were concerned their employer had a big job at World Trade and they showed up each day put 'em in and collected a paycheque every other week. They likey still haven't become any wiser to their part.

 

[Asterix]

Heh Guys . . . I think what Sam is saying is that they might have had absolutley no idea that the tiles were anything special. As far as they were concerned their employer had a big job at World Trade and they showed up each day put 'em in and collected a paycheque every other week. They likey still haven't become any wiser to their part.

Hey Protoss . . . that theory is idiotic on more than one level. You say you're an engineer which I'm assuming has nothing to do with building construction. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say you do work in computers and IT, which might explain why you seemingly have no clue in the nuts and bolts of how things work in the real world.

 

[Mcluhan]

Finale

I started this thread originally to debunk the NIST report, because according to my reality, the WTC buildings were a controlled demolition, a view now supported by the science. Along the way, I avoided the larger more complex issues which were not in my view germane to such questions as 'how' and 'what', but rather they belonged to the 'why' set of questions.

Since starting this thread, the wider picture began to emerge for me as the blinders came off. I now have all the questions answered to my satisfaction as to 'what', 'how' and 'why'. Others reading here, will need to resolve the questions in their own way, or not resolve them as the case may be. How this information will change your lives on a day-to-day who can know. But at least, like me, you may now understand what happened and how. Nothing much will change for those who see the truth of the matter I think. The sun will come up tomorrow, the groceries will still be on the shelf at the local grocery, and the price of gas will continue to fluctuate. However, one day the 'why' of the matter might become important. To my satisfaction (at least) I found the answer in the links posted below.

Nothing more will be gained by me personally in any further debate here, so this will be my last post in the thread, and probably on the topic as a whole. For those of you wishing to debate this further, I wish you all the best in resolving the unanswered questions to your own satisfaction, as I have done for myself.

A note on this first link: last night another poster here sent me THIS LINK and the subject message entitled The Missing Piece. This poster has been active on the subject, but keeping a low profile, adding information where he thought guidance would be helpful in connecting the dots. To him, I say thank you for helping me to see the picture.

As to these other links below, they deal in the 'why'. It’s a lot of reading, and it could bog you down, but I encourage you to stay with it.

I sincerely believe these links below should not be debated here on TERB, but rather just read and absorbed (by those who already see the picture, and understand the WHAT and the HOW) . The information contained below just too large and of a complexity beyond such debate in TERB. It will spiral out of control into a confusing mish mash of arguments and name calling going nowhere but in circles, in my humble opinion. Such debate will just add to the level of confusion that already exists here. Just my 2-cents.

All the best,

Mcluhan


The Company We Keep — Commentary & Analysis re. “Scholars for 9/11 Truth”
by Michael B. Green, Ph.D. February 6, 2006

"Loose Change" An analysis by Michael B. Green

How They Get Away With It

 

[Asterix]

This point about, 'why is no one talking' is a diversion to this thread. It needs its own thread, and i'm not focused on that. There is a dead body and the bullet casings are there on the ground beside the body. The crime occurred. I am at the stage of being in the room, looking at the evidence. I want to know WHAT HAPPENED. The fact that no one is talking is not surprising at all. AND, it doesn't change the fact that there is a body in the room, dead, lying beside the spent casings.

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I must admit my friend, you do have a flair for the melodramatic. Any forensics evidence that could be collected at this point stands the risk of being compromised at best, or manipulated at worst. This has nothing to do with finding a dead body with shell casings all around. The analogy is ridiculous.

 

[Protoss]

Hey Protoss . . . that theory is idiotic on more than one level. You say you're an engineer which I'm assuming has nothing to do with building construction. If I had to take a wild guess I'd say you do work in computers and IT, which might explain why you seemingly have no clue in the nuts and bolts of how things work in the real world.

Nope. Mechanical. And quite frankly it doesn't take a civil engineer to understand that something is amiss and isn't as it appears. Newtonian physics isn't different for each engineering discipline. Fact is any grade 12 physics student has enough knowledge and training to see past the smoke and mirrors on this one once it is pointed out to them. I'm quite serious.

I got involved with this thread knowing full well that that it would be an emotional exchange but persevered with just one goal in mind; to expose this information to as many as possible. Lots of views by lurkers over a short span of time so this has been a success for me.

So that's it for me too. My work is done here.

All the best
Protoss

 

[someone]

Although if you have any psych related information on how one becomes a conspiracy theorist let me know.

I did not respond to this earlier because I did not want to get drawn into what I see as a silly debate. However, now that the last of the posters arguing either side of the debate as seem to be done I can say that recently I have also become interested in your question but not just how one becomes a conspiracy theorist but also which conspiracies catch on and last. For example, I recently came across an article claiming that a surprising number of people in Middle east countries think the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were real. On the other hand, I have never heard anyone claim that Archduke Franz Ferdinand's assassination was a conspiracy. Yet many think JFK's assassination was one. I am not sure why some conspiracy theories catch on but others do not. Nonetheless, I do find the question to be fascinating.