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Frankfooter

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Valcazar said:
So an unnamed source reporting an unverified agreement?

But ok, so in other words, if I understand, you want something that the US is backing up Israel's agreement.
The US puts some credibility on the line in some concrete way in the agreement so that Hamas doesn't have to trust Israel.

Or, is it your idea that this works where the US threatens Israel, since in this report Israel didn't agree this but somehow the US "guaranteed" Hamas they would make it happen anyway?

In other words, what appears to be the issue between us is which comes first.
Does the US guarantee something to Hamas and then force Israel to accept it? Or does the US act as an assurance of something agreed to?
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Nobody trusts Netanyahu, not his people, not his government and probably only Biden.
Its looking almost too late now, Rafah is under attack and Netanyahu is trying to 'finish the job' while Biden refuses to stop him.

So what do you do now?
Hamas offered a ceasefire, Israel refused and Biden pretends to be shocked.

How does it get stopped?



*sigh*

Dammit.
I thought you had actually had a breakthrough and understood something.
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Again, how does it get stopped?
That seems a more important debate than which old genocide supporter gets elected in Nov.


Exactly.
No details.
Just praying for peace.
People should stop killing each other.
Something everyone vaguely agrees with but differs on the details.
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If only everyone agreed on that.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Nobody trusts Netanyahu, not his people, not his government and probably only Biden.
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Biden doesn't trust Netanyahu.

Its looking almost too late now, Rafah is under attack and Netanyahu is trying to 'finish the job' while Biden refuses to stop him.

So what do you do now?
Hamas offered a ceasefire, Israel refused and Biden pretends to be shocked.

How does it get stopped?
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You get a ceasefire when both sides think a ceasefire is better than the alternative.

This isn't answering the question of what you think a "guarantee" means here and when it gets offered, btw.

Again, how does it get stopped?
That seems a more important debate than which old genocide supporter gets elected in Nov.
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It is.
But since neither of us lives in Israel, there isn't much we can do about it.
I'm glad you finally agree that "Vote Against Biden" will do nothing to stop it, though.

There is a theory that the best way to stop it is to accelerate it and wipe everyone out, but I like to think neither of us agree.

If only everyone agreed on that.
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Welcome to reality, Frank.
"Be nicer to each other" is a moral precept in almost every ethical system.
Still doesn't stop people from being shits.
 
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Frankfooter

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Valcazar said:
You get a ceasefire when both sides think a ceasefire is better than the alternative.
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No, you get a ceasefire when the side committing genocide decides to stop committing genocide.
Its not a war between equal parties and the Israelis decide when it ends, like they decided when they end their occupation of Palestine.

This isn't answering the question of what you think a "guarantee" means here and when it gets offered, btw.
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If you think Biden doesn't trust Netanyahu and you think the US can't stop Israel, as you argue, then it doesn't matter to you.
From your arguments you would think a guarantee to be worthless.


It is.
But since neither of us lives in Israel, there isn't much we can do about it.
I'm glad you finally agree that "Vote Against Biden" will do nothing to stop it, though.

There is a theory that the best way to stop it is to accelerate it and wipe everyone out, but I like to think neither of us agree.
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If everyone in the US said they won't vote for Biden at once, do you think he'd stop supporting genocide?
That sounds better than some mutual destruction.

Welcome to reality, Frank.
"Be nicer to each other" is a moral precept in almost every ethical system.
Still doesn't stop people from being shits.
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Sadly, freedom means the freedom to let people be asshats.
 
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Frankfooter said:
No, you get a ceasefire when the side committing genocide decides to stop committing genocide.
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You get a ceasefire when both sides agree to terms. It is not a unilateral decision.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Hamas already did and Netanyahu refused.
You get a ceasefire when he decides to stop committing genocide.
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He refused when Hamas unilaterally changed the terms of what was agreed upon.

My point stands, a ceasefire requires bilateral agreement.
 
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Frankfooter said:
The side committing genocide decides when they will stop committing genocide.
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Good imagination.

Oct.7 was a terrorist attack aimed at genocide, Geno.
 
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