If you stand by the Pope's messages, then you are anti-abortion. Are you a part-time left winger?
The Discussion That Anti-Zionism is Not Anti-Semitism
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I'm not catholic, shack, this is a question to Genocide Joe's religious beliefs.
Do you back torturing prisoners too?
Binding their hands so tight they end up being amputated?
Is this part of your beliefs?
So an unnamed source reporting an unverified agreement?
But ok, so in other words, if I understand, you want something that the US is backing up Israel's agreement.
The US puts some credibility on the line in some concrete way in the agreement so that Hamas doesn't have to trust Israel.
Or, is it your idea that this works where the US threatens Israel, since in this report Israel didn't agree this but somehow the US "guaranteed" Hamas they would make it happen anyway?
In other words, what appears to be the issue between us is which comes first.
Does the US guarantee something to Hamas and then force Israel to accept it? Or does the US act as an assurance of something agreed to?
*sigh*
Dammit.
I thought you had actually had a breakthrough and understood something.
Exactly.
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No details.
Just praying for peace.
People should stop killing each other.
Something everyone vaguely agrees with but differs on the details.
Nobody trusts Netanyahu, not his people, not his government and probably only Biden.
Its looking almost too late now, Rafah is under attack and Netanyahu is trying to 'finish the job' while Biden refuses to stop him.
So what do you do now?
Hamas offered a ceasefire, Israel refused and Biden pretends to be shocked.
How does it get stopped?
Again, how does it get stopped?
That seems a more important debate than which old genocide supporter gets elected in Nov.
If only everyone agreed on that.
Biden doesn't trust Netanyahu.
You get a ceasefire when both sides think a ceasefire is better than the alternative.
This isn't answering the question of what you think a "guarantee" means here and when it gets offered, btw.
It is.
But since neither of us lives in Israel, there isn't much we can do about it.
I'm glad you finally agree that "Vote Against Biden" will do nothing to stop it, though.
There is a theory that the best way to stop it is to accelerate it and wipe everyone out, but I like to think neither of us agree.
Welcome to reality, Frank.
"Be nicer to each other" is a moral precept in almost every ethical system.
Still doesn't stop people from being shits.
No, you get a ceasefire when the side committing genocide decides to stop committing genocide.
Its not a war between equal parties and the Israelis decide when it ends, like they decided when they end their occupation of Palestine.
If you think Biden doesn't trust Netanyahu and you think the US can't stop Israel, as you argue, then it doesn't matter to you.
From your arguments you would think a guarantee to be worthless.
If everyone in the US said they won't vote for Biden at once, do you think he'd stop supporting genocide?
That sounds better than some mutual destruction.
Sadly, freedom means the freedom to let people be asshats.
No, I didn't, hammy.
That was in reference to Biden, I keep telling you I'm not catholic.
You get a ceasefire when both sides agree to terms. It is not a unilateral decision.
Hamas already did and Netanyahu refused.
You get a ceasefire when he decides to stop committing genocide.
He refused when Hamas unilaterally changed the terms of what was agreed upon.
My point stands, a ceasefire requires bilateral agreement.
The side committing genocide decides when they will stop committing genocide.
Not the victims.
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Many Jews are anti-Zionist....come to the light, Shack!
Every accusation is a confession, shack.
Only Israel has been charged with genocide at the ICJ.
Including many Israelis. Most people in favour of peace are hoping there is an election soon so he and his ultra-nationalist fringe can be booted. I'm sure you oppose that because a more moderate government willing to work towards peace will leave you with far less to bitch about.
Now how many Palestinians in Gaza are willing to admit they don't trust Hamas and what is the chance the people in Gaza will be able to choose a more moderate leadership?
Israel needs more than a new election.
It needs arrests of war criminals, public trials and the end of zionism.
Investigate and charge Hamas as well, but its zionism that has always been the problem.
None of what you said has anything to do with the reality of when ceasefire's happen.
No, a guarantee would be worth a lot.
That's why it can't just be thrown out willy nilly before actual negotiations.
Of course he would.
If you had a foreign policy position the entire population of the US agreed on and was willing to vote on, it would be incredibly difficult to act against it.
This issue isn't remotely near that.
Yes.
That's why actual governance is harder than "Everyone should just agree with me and submit to my will".
