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silentkisser

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if you were able to think, which you are not

the evil would be the side people that thinks its a good idea to strip away rights and benefits from the downtrodden fellow citizens
i.e. the emergencies act
freezing of bank accounts
confiscation of private property (hunters and farmers rifles)
forced eV mandates
censorship of online publication
corruption of the state funded media
irresponsible management of the public purse , if your going to take 1/3 to 1/2 of my earnings, you had better well be responsible with that god damn money




actually the right firmly believes in innovation, advancement via merit, Entrepreneurship law and order and far less government regulation in our economy and personal lives.

Trudeau entangled our economy with so much regulation that investment left the country and productivity declined

re abortion: not my place to decide
the exact same position Steven Harper took for his term in office



you have had blinders on for at least a decade




Canada economy is failing
pay attention
debt levels are way beyond sustainable at all levels of government and at the consumer level
mass immigration has cause a housing shortage and over burdened our health care system
the cost of living is stressing family resources
Trudeau strangled our natural resource sector with regulation
the housing market cannot get homes built due to over regulation
Donald Trump is going to steal most of auto sector and forest sector employment
Canada economy is failing
the us economy is growing

you are such a fool to think you can mention "Trump" and all of the liberal sins get whitewashed away
it does not
Canadians will have to endure a nasty recession , watch govt debt continue to skyrocket and have their living standard decline
A whole generation will be denied homeownership

And a great deal of that pain lands squarely at the feet of your failed ideology / Trudeau




once again , you think mentioning other countries and all of the liberal sins get whitewashed
it does not[

you are not very bright
Wow, a greatest hits of right-wing grievances. Most of which have never happened, or are comically hyperbolic. Who could have seen that coming. And shockingly, from TERB's very own Chatty Cathy, who just loves to spew bullshit while pretending he is some sort of intellect. I've had better debates with four year olds. They can at least understand facts, though like John, they tend to make shit up to suit their needs.

Canada's economy is not failing because of Liberal policies, no matter how much you want to pretend they are. We're in an economic pickle because of conservative thinking. Or, at least the new conservative thinking stemming from the US. The kind that uses feeling instead of facts, ignorance instead of smart people. I can see why Johnny is so comfortable parroting their ideas...
 

silentkisser

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I think you are conveniently ignoring the underperformance of the Canadian economy vis-a-vis the United States for many years.
Eventually all of Canada's social programs won't mean anything in comparison if the U.S. keeps growing faster and its tax base keeps expanding with it.

Not only is our economy more dynamic, our politics are more dynamic. Your political system resembles Germany's Merkel years where self-satisfying consensus led to the exaggerated impression of stability and success. I would find that scary.
I concede that our economy could perform better. There are numerous reasons for this, but many of them are not related to government policies (or at least Liberal government policies). I mean, one of the things big business cries for are tax cuts and breaks. Ottawa and the provinces have done that to stimulate job creation. But, at the end of the day, part of the issue is due to Canadian business not wanting to invest in R&D or new equipment. That makes them less innovative or productive. Part of this stems from our dollar being lower than the US, which means we could undercut them for labour and what not (even if Canadian workers were making good coin). And, of course there has been the reliance of the US as a reliable trading partner. Which they are no longer. Which means Canadian business needs to look abroad...and thankfully, they are.

And, while I would never really bet against the US economy, there are a lot of warning signs flashing showing that its days as the biggest economy are possibly numbered. And, Trump is the one to blame. He's shattered global norms with his stupid tariffs, and other countries haven't exactly been flocking to make deals. The greenback could be replaced as the global reserve currency. Trump's alienation of allies and long-time trading partners has caused damage, and forced countries to look at new markets. Now, as I said, this is all speculation, but the reality is things have changed with the way the world views the US, and it has been damaged by those who were allies. Adversarial countries have held this view for decades. The end result is the US alone while the rest of the world views it with distrust.

And, as for the US's dynamic political system...How's that working out? I mean, despite the GOP holding both the house and senate (as well as the White House), they cannot re-open the government. That is embarrassing. And, then you have the President launching a vendetta campaign against his enemies while trying to strip important rights from people (like habeas corpus), or having his goons shoot priests who are praying in the head...Then you have the tensions between the christian nationalists and the left...it's a powder keg that could go off. There is part of me that thinks a civil war is inevitable. And, lord, I hope it does not happen. Then, there is also the possible threat Trump decides to invade Canada/Greenland/Mexico...Who knows what his demented brain could do...
 
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The relevance is that while whining about merit, he himself had to take someone else's spot in a safe riding, after getting them to resign and after losing his own riding.
So yes, what I said is still relevant.
You might not like the leader of the Conservative party, but it is an earned position. The Conservative party obviously continues to stand behind him. Again that support is earned.
 

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Yes, which is why you don't take accusations of Obama's wokeness seriously, as it isn't true.
And what Obama said in that GIF, is a factually accurate statement.
What Obama said in the GIF is the antithesis of Libertarianism.
 

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Wow, a greatest hits of right-wing grievances. Most of which have never happened, or are comically hyperbolic.
Bullshit

Who could have seen that coming. And shockingly, from TERB's very own Chatty Cathy, who just loves to spew bullshit while pretending he is some sort of intellect.
I am a whole lot sharper than you, that's for sure

I've had better debates with four year olds.
So you debate 4 year old's do you?
that is more your intellectual level
it must be real embarrassing when you lose a debate to a 4 year old
do you learn anything when you get your ass kicked by a 4 year old ?


They can at least understand facts,
you mean they do not question what ever you tell hem.
A typical 4 year old does not know what a fact is

you are a child pretending to be an adult


though like John, they tend to make shit up to suit their needs.
Are you going to pretend Justin Trudeau is not a moron and did not make a god damn mess in Canada ?
his own party threw him under the bus...... but not you, his favourite fanboy

Canada's economy is not failing because of Liberal policies, no matter how much you want to pretend they are. We're in an economic pickle because of conservative thinking. Or, at least the new conservative thinking stemming from the US. The kind that uses feeling instead of facts, ignorance instead of smart people. I can see why Johnny is so comfortable parroting their ideas...
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''Canada's economy is not failing because of Liberal policies,''
you are beyond repair
 

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Wow, a greatest hits of right-wing grievances. Most of which have never happened, or are comically hyperbolic.

specify which did not happen?

the emergencies act- yes it happened
freezing of bank accounts- yes it happened
confiscation of private property (hunters and farmers rifles)- yes it happened
forced eV mandates- yes it happened
censorship of online publication- yes it happened
corruption of the state funded media- yes it happened
irresponsible management of the public purse - yes it happened
sowed east west division - yes it happened
corruption, SNC, WEI, Arrive Scam, cash for access - yes it happened
corruption, trampling on rights and incompetence is not just grievances

time to put up or shut up
the latter would be preferred

you claim not to blindly follow a specific party , yet also claim to be a 'progressive'

you do not define issues/ corruption/ incompetence by the what instead you define issues/ corruption/ incompetence based on the who

you are really just an attention seeking bullshit artist who is completely void of ethics, accountability and responsibility
and that is pathetic
 

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specify which did not happen?

the emergencies act- yes it happened
freezing of bank accounts- yes it happened
confiscation of private property (hunters and farmers rifles)- yes it happened
forced eV mandates- yes it happened
censorship of online publication- yes it happened
corruption of the state funded media- yes it happened
irresponsible management of the public purse - yes it happened
sowed east west division - yes it happened
corruption, SNC, WEI, Arrive Scam, cash for access - yes it happened
corruption, trampling on rights and incompetence is not just grievances

time to put up or shut up
the latter would be preferred

you claim not to blindly follow a specific party , yet also claim to be a 'progressive'

you do not define issues/ corruption/ incompetence by the what instead you define issues/ corruption/ incompetence based on the who

you are really just an attention seeking bullshit artist who is completely void of ethics, accountability and responsibility
and that is pathetic
First two happened. The rest, is questionable at best, outright misinformation or over exaggerations.

Now, I will agree with the corruption allegations. At the bare minimum, they were incredibly questionable things, SNC was a clusterfuck of stupidity, as was the WEI. As for the ArriveCan app...just because PP called it corrupt doesn't make it so. I'd say it was just poor project management, similar to the Harper government's massive fuckup with the phoenix payroll system....

Here's something that you probably won't agree with, because you are a right-wing troll, but ALL governments fuck portfolios up in one way or another. They all tend to have overruns on projects. It doesn't matter if they are Liberal, PC, NDP or GOP. I mean, I could spend a lot of time talking about corruption in the provincial government of Doug Ford, whom I assume you idolize, since you think I must love Trudeau.

So, here's something to keep in mind: I am not a partisan hack. You are. I can criticize Trudeau, Carney McGuinty, Wynne, or any Liberal government. I have yet seen you make any negative comments about any right-leaning politician. You are in a cult. I am not. You can cry, bitch and moan all you like, but the majority of people on this board see you for who you are. A right-wing extremist troll who can only slam the left, never your side. So, I'm sure you'll give this a lot of thought and self-reflection.
 

WyattEarp

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No it is not.
It isn't a political statement in the first place. Just a factually accurate one.
Of course, it is a political statement. Regardless of the truth or merit of his statement, Obama is emphasizing collective accomplishments of a society over individual achievement.

Per Google:
Individualism and personal sovereignty
: Libertarians view the individual as the fundamental unit of society and believe that each person owns their body, work, and property.
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that advocates for individual liberty and minimal government intervention


I think you routinely try to gaslight the forum into thinking left-wing policies are actually centrist. In the case of Obama, libertarianism is a bridge too far. Similar to what I said about politicians thinking they can stretch the Overton window, sometimes someone on social media who thinks they are clever believe they can too. Wouldn't it be nice if one's own political views were considered universally mainstream throughout the West?

By the way, I asked Google AI if President Obama was a libertarian.

No, Barack Obama was not a libertarian.
His political record and ideology are defined by modern American liberalism, which stands in direct contrast to core libertarian principles .


Google AI spit up its gigabytes laughing with that question.
 

Frankfooter

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Of course, it is a political statement. Regardless of the truth or merit of his statement, Obama is emphasizing collective accomplishments of a society over individual achievement.

Per Google:
Individualism and personal sovereignty
: Libertarians view the individual as the fundamental unit of society and believe that each person owns their body, work, and property.
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that advocates for individual liberty and minimal government intervention
 

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Frankfooter

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How does Elon Musk's increase in wealth affect my life?
You really don't know?

- Politicians pass bills that favour the rich, because they are funded by the rich
- this allows them to establish monopolies across major industries or control by 2 or 3 corporations that set prices together
- this allows them to attack unions and lower wages all around you
- this allows the rich to get bills cutting social services cut all around you
- this creates more poverty and more desperate people which creates more crime
- this allows the rich to pass deregulation bills that take away industry protections
- this allows people like Mariam Adelson to get trump take away citizens rights and send billions in cash to Israel and Argentina
- this defunds cities and states and contributes to the rotting infrastructure in america
- this results in the most expensive and worse health care in the western world, the only one with a declining mortality

I'd go on, but you won't consider this as possible.

 
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